Hey Russ <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Unfortunately, what I've found egan is that most people only listen to what they want to hear and this is a poor way to gather the information you need to discern truth.

Is this why you only listened to 15 minutes of this?


Honestly, it really isn’t. With my current dial-up connection it took me over 30 minutes to see the first 15 minutes of what appeared to be a 2+ hour long clip (155 minutes if I’m not mistaken?) This coupled with the fact that it was 3 AM and I really couldn’t continue any longer. So, in fairness, my comments are based on what I did see.

I tell you what. I’ll watch the whole thing some time this week when I get a chance (but just remember the next time I ask you to watch something $ubbt_lang['ICON_TONGUE'].) That being said, I still maintain that the speaker relied on cheap tactics, not to mention his heavy use of quote mining. Now that’s not to say he’s not right (heck, maybe he is!) But it would behoove any debater – especially if they are indeed correct – not to fall back on tactics such as these. With quote mining alone I could put forward a nigh irrefutable document explaining .. well .. anything. I could create a pretty sound argument which says we are all really bananas and that the fruit which we call bananas are really aliens from some invisible planet who are all controlling us. I’m totally serious here.

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I suggest you give it a fair shake and hear it out, otherwise you are guilty of the very thing you accuse "religious" people of.


Fair enough. Like I said, I’ll give it a full watch. Bear in mind though, I’m not a non-religious person. I’m no atheist by any stretch of the imagination. Everyone keeps misinterpreting evolution with atheism, and while the two often coincide they are not the same. There are Christians who believe in evolution, for example.

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Bottom line. We should all just grow up and admit that design requires a designer.


I don’t disagree with you, Russ. But I also don’t disagree with much of what (note I did not say all) evolution puts forward. Evolution does not say there is no designer whatsoever, in my opinion. It simply says how said designer has been and still is doing their designing. With that in mind, I'd say evolution (whether you accept it or not) isn't even concerned with a designer; that part of the argument is neither here nor there.

And if nothing else, despite my disagreements with that bloke on youtube, he’s my hero for not paying taxes to the American government <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />