Andy Cutler says people who show up with copper and mercury poisoning probably aren't producing enought bile and that is where they need to focus they're attention.

I can handle weaker bile supplements like lecithin or taurine. Stronger bile supplements like ox bile or milk thistle I have an EXTREME reaction to. As a matter of fact I can almost feel like I'm at the insantity level of mercury poisoning from only taking half a milk thistle capsule in one day (I'm not exaggerating when I say this).

Anyways, I really file like this whole bile problem is blocking me from getting healthy. I've success with ultra ultra low doses of milk thistle. Literally I will take 1/8 a pill at a time. This has helped greatly with reducing my copper symptoms. If I stay at this low dose for a while (2 weeks or so) and try to move up the dose, I will still have the bad reaction.

hey man, have u gotta juicer? Cause start juicing veges and you will really see results, its great stuff! My copper symptoms are pretty much non-existent, only pop up now and then. I also have problems with producing bile but fresh vege juice has made constipation issues so much better. I also take aloe vera juice which is meant to help. I also rub aloe gel on different parts of my body and, I know this sounds crazy, but I think this is also helping internal issues like constipation and bile production. I rub the aloe into lymph node areas like the neck and under arm. Weird but I've found it to work quite well!

Milk thistle isn't always the answer, I do take it now and then but I don't really find it to be doing much. Itake cod liver oil caps which I found help me quite a bit.

I also don't take any vitamin c supplements because for some reason I am sensitive to them, so I only get C from food sources like the vege juice

Interesting question.

Bile is involved in the breakdown of fats and stimulation of peristaltic action in the colon. Bile production is reduced in mercury toxic persons.

My experience (Laura had the same experience) with this involved the fact that, before my fillings were out, I would get the following symptoms after eating fatty foods such as beef or butter:

• Headache
• Brain fog
• Achy joints
• Lethargy
• Cold skin

After doing some research, I realized these symptoms were associated with un-emulsified fats in the blood. These fats cause red blood cells to stick together and thus prevents the flow of blood through many smaller capillaries. This, in turn, causes oxygen starvation for cells that are fed by capillaries, such as in the joints, skin, eyes, brain, etc. and causes pain in the same.

As with so many of the other mercury symptoms I had, to combat the problem, I researched and found a supplement that prevented these fats from being absorbed. This supplement, called Fat Grabbers, completely relieved the lethargy and pain after eating fatty foods for both me and Laura. It really was amazing how much of a difference it made.

Well, the best part of the story is that once our amalgams were removed, we no longer needed to take Fat Grabbers. I went from taking them for nearly every meal to now, where I only take them, perhaps once a month if I have a particularly fatty meal.

In my personal opinion, working with the Milk Thistle is the best way to go, slowly increasing it as you become better able to handle it. As your liver begins to work better, I would think that bile would increase.

If you suffer constipation as a result of decreased bile, you can compensate with Magnesium, Food Enzymes, and, optionally, supplemental Fiber.

When our amalgams were still in, since bile also contains lecithin, we would occasionally take Lecithin to relieve the these symptoms, and it worked, but not as well as the Fat Grabbers.

Hope this helps.

I get incredible anxiety and other mercury/copper symptoms also from Milk Thistle. And that's just from one single capsule. I read good things about the herb and have a liver which doesn't produce enough bile either so try once in a while to supplement with Milk Thistle hoping I can tolerate it now, but it makes me feel crazy. I am therefore fearing my liver has pretty much stored metals in it and taking the Milk Thistle disrupts some <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Lechitin is the only supp. which has eased my liver pain and enabled me to eat some fats without feeling completely poisoned.

I'm really surprised to read this. I thought I was the only one that had this happen. I used milk thistle on three different occassions and eachtime, I was hit with even more extreme symptoms to the point I thought I was going to tear my hair out with insanity.

I did not know if it was the milk thistle, or coincidence. But eachtime, I have been hit with much worse symptoms after using it for the day. I am scared of the stuff.

I realise though I was obviously on too high potency. I didn't get past one day of using it before I had to stop. It is not a good thing to recommend for a mercury toxic person, if the person is too toxic and their liver is not donig it's job too well.

There should be a warning about it and should be used in tiny doses at first until better tolerated, because whatever it does, is just incredible. As does lipoic acid for me also and garlic supplementation. I consider those three things to be outright dangerous to me. I believe this is because I am highly toxic, highly sensitive and all those three things can stir mercury up to the extreme it seems and what happens to the mercury if it's released in a large amount in a person already overburdened? When you consider hte liver is a storage tank for these toxins, and using milk thistle would overstimulate this and who knows what would be stirred up and released. Like opening a can of worms.

So I'll never touch the stuff again, or if I do, it will be very mild doses.