HI Bex, i was wondering what was in the fillings you have that are incompatible with you. Mine have aluminium and fluoride and some other things that arnt right. I have decided i need them done again, just to be on the safe side, i only have 2. Keep us posted on how you are. Im feeling symptoms again. Thanks.

Hi Dawn, yes my composites are incompatible. Though, usually when a person is mercury toxic, they will react very easily to any materials. But certainly, I have some worse than others that should not be in there (ones containing phenol). Sometimes the serum test is a very good idea to have. Fluoride might show up on one test as not being good, but might be ok one the serum test. I'd probably go by the serum test more than any other test in the area of immune function. I'm not ok with fluoride when I'm testing on EAV machines, but on the serum test, I was

Hi Dawn, not sure why my posts are being cut off. This is very weird. Anyway I'll try and fnish my post.
anyway, on the serum test I showed to be ok with fluoride. I think it's very hard, because you will not really be able to avoid chemicals and metals in any of these dental materials, even the ones claiming to be "metal free".

The man who runs the serum testing lab, knows exactly what is contained in all these dental materials and he said there is NO such thing as a metal free restorative. HE said the thing to ask is "what forms to the metals take"?

Though some of the chemicals metals might be very bad for you personally, and the serum test will show that for you.

But aluminium, even in a person showing not to be good with aluminium, if the aluminium takes the form of aluminium oxide, aluminosilicate, alumina, usually this is not a problem. In order for it to be a problem, the aluminium has to be ionized.

If you want to email the man who runs this lab, you can tell him what materials you have and he can tell you what is in them and if the aluminium in them is of a bad form. His email is wjclifford@ccrlab.com

but again, you may feel more at ease having them redone regardless. It's so hard to know what to have put in and none of us know for sure what is causing what with our symptoms. I'm fed up with it all, that I do know and I'm sure you are too. You just want to scream.

I'm sorry that you are feeling bad again! I just hope it's more of the mercury coming out and being excreted. I'm ill permanently, so I know mercury is not all the issue, it's part of it. Not sure what to do about any of it because it seems I've got too many problems at once. Never used to have this!!!

Keep me posted how you are going too.

Bex, you are a wealth if information, i am so grateful. The dentist i spoke to yesterday said the same thing as you that no dental materials are all 100% safe, even diamondlite has its issues and he doesn't use it. I will email and find out about the materials in mine, thanks.
Im getting panicky alot along with depression and feeling hopeless, it comes and goes, also i keep crying and thinking about sad things, also my night sweats are back. It probably is murcury as i know now i was exposed at least 4 times in the last 6 months. I feel worse now than when i had mercury fillings so i have come to that conclusion that i was exposed by the stupid dentist. Im thinking of getting a letter from a solicitor to the dentist telling them il take them to court, i might get some money back, as im sure they wouldnt want to go through the courts. On their website it says safe removal of mercury fillings, all they used was the dam and nothing else, my nose and eyes were exposed, also a rubber dam doesnt protect you that well, there was no oxygen or anything. They call themselves holistic! Keep in touch.

HI Dawn, no problem, hope I can be of help sometimes. Yep, all dental materials contain many chemicals and metals that are just unavoidable. I guess that some have certain chemicals that we will react worse to than others though.

I sympathise with you a lot with what you are going through. I am going through almost an insanity of symptoms. Oneday I might seem more settled, but I am most days, going through a hell on earth and if anybody saw what I go through, that would probably have me put away. I have vivid insane dreams all night, I wake up racing for the toilet at top speed because of cramping and then I get diarrhea most mornings.

I can cry sometimes all day, be panicked and have stupid fears. Salivate uncontrollably, you name it. At times it feels like I'm almost exploding out of my face with poison and I can swell in the eyes and nose, but I feel that I cannot detoxify because of other issues, so things never really end. They simply

hi dawn, sorry my posts are continually being cut off. I am so sick of this. But at any rate i'll try and finish it again.

I was saying that regardless of my poisoning symptoms and going through what seems to be detox, I don't seem to really heal over time. I stay much the same, so I do feel there is more to my problem than mercury.

Also, with what you said about night sweats. That is mercury. I remember I used an antifungal once to kill candida and I didn't realise that candida can contain mercury because it can absorb it. When you kill candida on contact with an antifungal, it can split open the candida and any mercury will be released into the blood stream, sometimes in large amounts. After I did this, I had night sweats so bad I was soaking the sheets and my night clothes. I had to get up and change because It was so bad, I coudln't lie there drenched. I had to towel myself off also.

These holistic dentists are most often not much better than the usual dentist. If they were truly holistic, for starters, they would give all possible protection to a patient during removal, and would also do mercury removals in a seperate area to avoid contaminating their office wtih vapor and exposing other patients to it who just come in for consultation or other dental work.

Dental offices are dangerous even just to visit. I get severely sick just from walking into one and this has prevented me from going ahead to get my cavitations cleaned etc. I have been repoisoned recently from just seeing a dentist. So it's very scary.

It's sickening actually and you begin to wonder whether years of working with mercury has dumbed them down to such an extent that they can't quite get it into their heads that they are STILL dealing with a neurotoxin, even when just removing it. More vapor is released from removals than it is from filling someone's tooth with mercury I believe. So why are they removing mercury freely in the same office they use for all other dental treatments? You gotta wonder.

Hi ya Bex, i know exactly what you mean about dentists. I never did like dentists, even when i was young, now i absolutely hate them!

Hi Bex, i got a reply from the lab and it said that the materials used in my teeth were good for most people and came from a good company, he also said that no filling material is completely safe. Thanks, Dawn.

Hi Bex and Dawn,

Your right that there are toxins in all dental materials, but some are more dangerous than others. Iv'e done quite a bit of research on what is probably the most dangerous as well as what is the most safe. Not only that, but I had to learn the hard way through my own experiences as well.

On this mercury section of the forum ,click to HOW TO RESPOND TO THOUGHS IN DOUBT and scroll down to my 2ND POST from SCARLET. Its very informative about dental materials and I hope it will help.

Also I wanted to tell you that Porcelein is made out of 45%aluminum oxide which causes Alzeimers since it oxidizes in air and saliva. So it does leach out of your teeth. Porcelein is really not porcelein. It is called this because of its white color. They usually use this dental matarial for crowns. This material also wears down the teeth as well.

Yes your right that many white direct and indirect composites have Phenols and flouride in them as well. I've learned that Diamondcrown, lite, link, and bond from Biodent labs are prabably the safest. Also Holistic Gold from Zahn Labs. I still got to do more through research on these though. But so far this is what I know. Please go to my other post for more details.

Good luck, I understand your concern about toxic dental materials!! I don't trust any healthcare professionals anymore either until they have proven to be trustworthy!!!

Hi Scarlet, regarding aluminium oxide, I thought this was a safe form of aluminium? i was told this by the man who runs the blood serum testing lab for dental materials.

This is what he said to me in an email:

As to aluminum, we get really excited about certain forms of aluminum. If the only forms of aluminum present are aluminum oxide, alumina or aluminosilicate, we will totally ignore the aluminum unless the patient also has a silicate sensitivity. To become toxic and bio-available, aluminum must be ionized. The forms of aluminum compounds mentioned above have a dissociation half-life between 109 and 1011 years under expected oral cavity conditions. In simple terms, there will not be enough dissociated aluminum from restoratives to measure in a lifetime. It is true that you can physically break off micro-fines of the restorative, but these are small bits of intact compound and not dissociated aluminum. They will void in the next bowel movement or two. To put this into proper perspective, your skeleton is composed of 2.0% – 2.5% aluminum oxide and aluminosilicate, normally and naturally. There is more aluminosilicate in a single side serving of fresh garden salad containing lettuces and vegetables than will be released from a mouth full of ceramic or porcelain crowns in a normal lifetime. The plants pick up the aluminosilicates from the soil readily and incorporate them into their tissues.

Could you let me know where you got your information? Because I am very concerned here and I am sick of the conflicting stuff with these health professionals. None of them can seem to get it straight.

Is there somewhere we can go to see lab data about the amounts of aluminum released from these materials?

I personally am concerned about aluminum as I have seen plenty of data on it. In addition, according to relatives of mine who manufacture stadium seating, aluminum was just banned in public places, such as hand rails or stadium seats in the E.U. because of the evidence they have about very real and serious health concerns.

If this is the cause, I am careful in my consideration of aluminum because the mouth is a volatile environment and we know that mercury and aluminum together are much more toxic than either is alone.

I also relalize that this issue is more complex than just talking about "aluminum" because it exists in many forms, however, I would like to see data about the conclusions they have drawn because I have found that many ideas in medicine are based on assumptions related to the way aluminum is or is not broken down or converted to other forms in the body.

I wonder what is really known about this. How is the aluminum release is measured? Where does it go? What does it bind with and what does that resulting compound bind with? Has this chemical path been reliably tracked? Is this information coming from a reliable source? I've found that the large government-subsidized organizations (NIH, WHO, FDA, CDC, NSF, etc.) are the primary promoters of misinformation.

In short, how much is proven and how much is speculation? I'd love to read studies in this subject as it has have profound implications for mercury-toxic persons.



I have become are of high aluminum being measured from ChemTrails which will make it's way into the food chain. I wonder if these measurments are recent or old.

I would love to find some good information on this.

Thanks.

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I've always read turmeric is useful for lowering aluminum levels in the brain, and its a spice/herb that I take frequently for its health benefits.

As for the chemtrails...I have been seeing them constantly and I also see plenty of clouds that look artificial, unlike clouds I remember seeing my entire life. Its very strange but I know something very wierd and not good is going on with those chemtrails...definitely not good news.

Yes, strangely, there has been very heavy chemtrail activity almost daily here for several months and then, suddenly about 2 weeks ago, I have not seen a single one, not one. I watch the sky daily from my office window.

Yes, I see them almost daily - that is - on clear days. Maybe the pilots in your area are on vacation. You get a vacation too! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Hi RUSS,

Click to QUESTION FOR DEMI to my 2nd POST from SCARLET addressed to RayGee and Bex, on this MERCURY SECTION OF THE FORUM. It will tell you how to find the information on porcelain on the Huggins web site in the middle of my post.

Theres also alot of positive information about Biodent Labs on their Diamondcrown, Lite, Link, and Bond from their web site as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Also information about why I don't agree with IV sedation!!!

I hope this information about porcelain on the Huggins website will help, Russ!!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />