Carla, you won't find anyone with more disdain for modern education—whether public or religious—than me. I could not care less how my teachers have interpreted the Bible. They did little more for me than fill my head with grossly oversimplified ideas amounting to nothing more than propaganda (which they learned from their teachers) which did nothing more than to give me a place to start my own study.

The vast majority of people's logic is highly influenced by emotion, but I learned at a young age that truth does not change for my feelings, rather, I must humble myself and change to conform to truth. The truth is not in error, I am.

As for your question...

Remember after the war that we supposedly won where the soviets got control of many countries and then Israel was formed. Look carefully at this event, put the pieces together, and decide for yourself if this isn't part of the deception that is spoken of in the Bible concerning the coming "man of perdition".

It's a big subject so I'll leave it to the reader to do their own homework (which is as it should be), but as for me, it's obvious that the results of these very interesting distributions of power and land make complete sense in the light and context of Bible prophecy.

As for those people...

There are a few possibilities as to their origin, but it really doesn't matter too much. The more important possibility is the likelyhood that England is the tribe of Judah. I'm not positive on this point, but in my research, I would say there's at least an 80% that they are.


Careful. Check carefully and you'll see some implied assumptions in your statement above.

Nevertheless, in the course of my study, the possibility of many of the western European countries being the offspring of the 12 tribes of Israel is very high. I didn't say whites are Judah.

It's helpful to look at language migrations. Also, use older books that have not rewritten history for their own purposes. Keep studying and perhaps our conclusions will meet somewhere in the future.


I would say there is at least an 80% chance that the blood-English people are the offspring of Judah.

I would suggest studying the throne of David, the ancestory of Prince Charles, and other historical elements of England, and you will find:

"England has suprises."


I look at this study very logically keeping in mind that the Bible has made numerous, specific predictions about past events and current ones. Once this is established, we see that it does matter who Israel is today. It matters a lot.

I'll have to part with you in your opinion that circumcision changes your brain as you posted previously. Descendancy is followed from parents to children, not by practice. This is the difference between choice and predestination, as Paul speaks about in the verses I posted previously.

I would suggest this excellent study on the subject. It deals with your positions squarely:

Judah's Sceptre and Joseph's Birthright

I would also see the outstanding breakdown of the genealogy of Christ (66-the Son of Man, and 77-the Son of God) in the book "Number in Scripture" by Bullinger.


So, who do you think has access to salvation? Who do you think does not have access to salvation?


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Thanks for your dialog on this subject. It is good because it challenges us to continue studying. Let's.

Take care and all the best.