hey guys, its Mike again. I went and saw a Russian hollistic healer in Hollywood yesterday and he looked at me, my structure, my eyes, my tounge and said that my problem causing my sypmtoms is candida. Ive heard of this yeast infection before but never followed up on it. Anyways, some of you know my symptoms are brain fog, depression, cant control thoughs, forgetfullness, chronic fatigue, and ulcerative colitis(intestinal problem). Now I looked up candida and its known to cause those problems. Anyways, i have a appointment with him today at 4pm again, hes gonna give me some stuff to drink along with hollistic type healing, hand/heat coordination over body. But anyways, does it make sense guys? Please let me know. - Mike

hi Mike, I have systemic candida. I've had it for years. It can be very debilitating. Do you still have your amalgams or any cavitations, root canals, etc.?

I've been trying to treat the candida for decades. It won't go away I think because I still have amalgams. Once I get the amalgams out and deal with any other teeth issues, I'm hoping to make better progress. But I understand as long as metals are at a toxic level in the body, it's difficult to get rid of candida.

A biological dentist named Dr. Robert Johnson wrote an article on this:
by Robert B. Johnson, DMD, ND, MT.


"Many times when the heavy metals are removed and chelated from the body, yeast drops significantly. It is now understood that the body is able to use yeast to combine with heavy metals to render them inactive. Less damage to your health is done with high levels of yeast than heavy metals so it is thought that the body uses higher levels of yeast to protect itself from dangerous toxins."

The source of the theory came from Dietrich Klinghardt, MD. He said that the body prefers candida to heavy metal and that the candida attaches to mercury.

If this is so, then too-vigorous efforts to kill off candida might be a bad idea for persons with amalgam fillings. Better to remove the fillings and wait until symptoms of heavy metal poisoning are gone and then attack the candida."

And if you want to read about the theory further, see this article by Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt. The paragraph pertaining to fungal infections is the fourth paragraph from the top, I believe:

http://mercuryexposure.org/index.php?article_id=66

If you have any questions about candida, as a long-time candida crusader I'd be happy to see if I could help with them.

SomedaySoon

Thanks somedaysoon. I have never had any root canals, fillings or amalgams of such. My mercury poisoning came from eating excess cans of tuna fish. My mental symptoms started originally in late 2002, then late 2003 came my ulcerative colitis. However, I did 2 hair analysis, 1 in Sept of 2005 showed mercury, then another in January 2006, showed no mercury. I did a heavy metal cleanse kit off the shelf from whole foods by Renew Life. Anyways, my symptoms are still here along with the ulcerative colitis thus making the option of having candida a high possibility, almost sure. Anyways, there are candida cleanse kits that you can purchase as well. This hollistic guy is making something for me which im going to go pick up right now. ill find out more exactly what it is. - Mike

Mike,

Just a few things here for you to consider ... Whenever someone says "you have ___"; take a step back and take it with a grain of salt.

Granted you probably do have candida but the cause could be from mercury like Someday said; or from something else.
So you could follow a anti candida program and not get any better (not sure if you saw my message but I did just that).

Let us know how the session went with the russian healer.

How's the ALA going for you?

Mike I'm so sorry to hear about your colitis, in particular. I had a bad bout of that this past Fall and it was terribly draining, painful and frightening. I don't know how this would fit into treatment for heavy metal toxicity or mercury detox (perhaps Laura, Russ or someone else could offer an opinion) however; I found supplementing with probiotics to be extremely helpful to the colitis. If you are not sensitive or allergic to them and they wouldn't interfere with a mercury/metal protocol, perhaps you could try them?

If your colitis is of the C. Difficile strain (that's what I had), I found I had to include additional probiotics with the saccharomyces boullardi strain of bacteria. This is the particular strain that kills C. Diff.

SomedaySoon

I've been reading this thread and wanted to offer some suggestions. Actually, I'll just post some info sheets because they are really informative and may help.

In my personal mercury story , I mention that I had problems with candida and they simply went away completely the day after the amalgams came out.

Supplements for Candida

Supplements for Colitis

Thanks, Russ. I have a question on the cat's claw. I really like that it's in liquid form and alcohol free, that's a plus for folks like me who are prone to candida. Alcohol just make my candida go crazy. Is the cat's claw TOA free?

I loved reading your story. Actually it was the first thing I read when I came to the forum. It would be a dream come true if my candida challenges were to vanish after amalgam removal!!

SomedaySoon

Thanks guys. I'm gonna start the DMSA and ALA again every 3 hours. just waiting for this darn urine home test kit for mercury to come in the mail. anyways, will it be aright if I do a off the shelf candida cleanse by rainbow along with the chelation of mercury? - Mike

-little info on candida cleansing-

First off you may get some of the same reactions from candida cleansing as mercury cleansing ...

Second; some of the things for candida are used for mercury ...

Third; and I think Someday said this that it's a good idea to rotate.

Forth I'm not really sure if you should do both at the same time but it's up to you ...

Fifth; Basically theres 3 things involved in candida cleansing ... killing the candida, getting more good guys around and eating a diet that doesnt let the candida eat.

Sixth; garlic, grape fruit seed extract (very potent), probiotics (I like primal defense), fermented foods ie saurkraut are some good examples what to use.

Seventh; basically simple sugers and carbs is what candida likes ...

Although I did my cleanse 4~ years ago (some new supplements or ideas may have been added since then); but I read everything I could find on use natural supplements to deal with the issue.

Looks like some other people have some knowledge on the subject also ie Someday and I think James mentioned something. So I think we have a good background here on how to deal with the candida (probably more then most MDs <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I don't know enough about metal detox to know whether it's safe to do candida cleansing and metal cleansing together. The question of dual cleansing is one of many that I'll have for my biological/holistic dentist. I've come to believe in gentle cleansing -- giving the body plenty of time to adapt, cleanse and heal -- especially when we're trying to heal some pretty overburdened bodies!

One thing I'd offer on antifungals -- the grapefruit seed extract (GSE) is extremely potent, as dulak said. I read somewhere that using GSE as an antifungal is sometimes contraindicated in people with metal toxicity. I'm sorry that I don't have the source for this to give you. But if GSE is an antifungal you're interested in, I would suggest doing research first.

SomedaySoon

ill go ahead and do the candida cleanse since I did that saliva test and my saliva didnt even wait a couple minutes floating, it just sank down like a rock, murky looking, anyways. is this test accurate?

Be very careful when you do candida cleanses and you have mercury toxicity. Mercury goes anywhere and everywhere in the body, and candida absorbs mercury readily. When you kill candida suddenly by using antifungals, the candida cell walls burst open and release their contents (usually containing mercury) straight back into your blood respoisoning you. I have had it happen, believe me it's real and it can be frightening. I had muscle tics all over my body, metal taste in my mouth, night sweats, trembling and severe depression/suicidal thoughts from using an "antifungal".

When I simply used the candida diet alone, I got die off just from that and it took 3 weeks to subside, but I felt a lot better/healthier. Antifungals nearly ruined me and I wished I had never gone and used them. Though obviously in an acute case where diet alone does not work enough, antifungals might be necessary but I would be very very careful.

Garlic should not be used in a mercury toxic person, particularly if their organs of elimination are not functioning too well. Garlic mobilises mercury all over the place, it busts open candida far too easily. Garlic is ok if it's used in food naturally, fried or something, but taking it in potent capsule/tablet form can be a problem.

Even acidophilus can cause similar mercury toxic issues than antifungals, because they displace candida quickly and have heard they can methylate mercury and cause worse symptoms too.

I don't know if I believe the body produces more candida in order to protect itself against mercury, but it's possible it does to a point. However, the fine line is candida itself going beyond that point and getting out of control and causing it's own symptoms. This is why diet is crucial, so your body at least has some control over the candida and will be able to cope easier with the mercury when you are not feeding the candida anymore. If you indulge and eat sugar, even small amounts can be enough to allow the candida overgrowth to persist and flourish, thereby keeping your immune system lower and also allowing the toxins from yeast to make you sick along with the mercury.

Candida makes mercury worse, mercury makes candida worse. I think candida simply happens because the body is made sick by mercury and can no longer keep yeast at appropriate levels.

I feel personally one of the best things a person can do with mercury poisoning, is strict diet with NO sugar, no yeast, no guten, lessening grains, maybe no fruit also for a while until you get candida more under control and using vitamin C, selenium, vitamin E, algin to help protect yourself against mercury, boost your body and then when you feel a little stronger, begin to detox/chelate mercury with what protocol you feel comfortable with. Though I would recommend Andy Cutler's protocol as it seems he has studied for years and been through it himself. He is a biochemist, so he does know his stuff.

This is just my opinion based on things I have read. Nothing is full proof, but certainly if you attempt to chelate and your body is not prepared at all with some form of diet control and supplement support, you can really get yourself into trouble.

Mike, you must do the metal cleanse before any candida cleanse, you can do the candida diet but dont take antifungal meds. Dawn.