In the video on the top thread what was highly disturbing is that they mentioned that Hitler in Nazi Germany used Romans 13 to silence dissent. So... should Romans 13 be used in such a manner such as that? That seems to be the question.
Then in Acts 5:29 it says:
Then Peter and the other apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.
Then you read about all those in Scripture who violated the principle of submission to authority from Daniel to Elijah to Moses to David and then the three Hebrew children plus John the Baptist when he publicly scolded Herod & Simon Peter and on and on and so.. In reading about all of this when does government the rulers get bad enough where you can violate this principle as it seems that many have at times in Scripture.
I still believe we are called to be subject as citizens of a nation but we the people in this nation is the government by the constitution though we do elect our leaders. But I do see the importance in the debate of where lines are to be drawn.
I do see thier concerns and questions.