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This CMI article from 2010 has come to my attention, and I thought I'd share. Since it's from 2010, there may be even more recent developments; more analysis, and probably more "interpretation" from some quarters. http://creation.com/neandertal-genome-like-oursI won't copy the whole thing, just a few highlights. Neandertal genome like ours
(There may be Neandertals at your next family reunion!)
by Robert W. Carter
Although the conclusions are controversial, scientists are triumphantly claiming an amazing feat within modern genetics. They have completed a draft sequence for approximately 60% of the Neandertal genome.
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In several recent articles on the Neandertal mitochondrial genome,3,4,5 I was hesitant to make many predictions about the full Neandertal nuclear genome because I had questions about the quality of ancient DNA (aDNA) and because I was not sure if I could trust the data, since it would have been thoroughly filtered by the evolutionary gatekeepers. Even if I had made predictions, I would not have dared to make any as bold as the conclusions of these evolutionary scientists. Needless to say, I am quite pleased with what they said. This is certainly not the last word, though, as there is always controversy within such forensic science.
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Third, the authors tested for evolutionary relationships (in which they assumed any similarities are due to common ancestry) among apes, Neandertals and various groups of modern humans. This is where the real controversy lies, for the answers they came up with are not what most expected. They discovered that (1) Neandertals are well within the range of diversity of modern man, that (2) the Neandertal genome is incredibly similar to the genome of modern man, and that (3) there are only a few fixed differences between modern man and Neandertals. But even those few fixed differences could vanish as we learn more about modern human and ancient Neandertal genetic diversity (the more we study, the more variation we find and so the “fixed” differences tend to be reduced over time).
Even more controversial, the few variations that Neandertals share with modern humans are only shared with people living outside of Africa. So, not only are Neandertals fully human, but the evidence is that they interbred with the ancestors of modern Europeans, Asians, Australians, and Native Americans, but not Africans. Thus, Neandertals are either the cousins or the ancestors to people outside Africa. The lead author attests to this unexpected result, “ … we were baffled that this affinity with Neandertals was not only in Europe and West Asia [where it was most expected], but also in Papua New Guinea … ”
More details of the findings, and some of the implications for different worldviews are discussed. Some of the "Old Earth" Creation views seem to have quite a problem with things, and we all know how stubborn evolutionism is about anything they've managed to get published in textbooks. I personally think it a good thing to see these people being recognized for what they were. I know most folks don't stop to ponder such things, but it is sinful and abominable to attempt to classify any man as an animal. Few acts are as low and treacherous as that of saying "that man's not human". It's not for me to judge intent, of course, for I don't know the hearts of others. I'm sure many just believed what they were told and never really cared.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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Thank you, CTD- I've read some articles on Neanderthal News. The below article comes from Eric Hovind. Creation Science Evangelism~ ------------ -Neanderthals: Ape-men or Humans?-By: Eric Hovind July 28th, 2010 Eric Hovind “Study says Neanderthals may have mated with humans.” —New York Times. 1 The big news is about Neanderthal DNA being sequenced. Neanderthals supposedly branched off the homo sapiens lineage about 600,000 years ago. They supposedly lived up until about 30,000 years ago. -History of Neanderthal ManLet me give you a little history on Neanderthal man. The first Neanderthal was found in 1856 and was classified as 100% human. Since then, more than 300 Neanderthals have been discovered. In textbooks, Neanderthals are portrayed as ape-men, stooping over. This misconception is largely the result of faulty reconstruction by a French paleontologist. He mistook the skeleton of a man with a hunchback for an ape-man in the process of becoming upright. In Jack Cuozzo’s book, Buried Alive, the Neanderthal hoax is revealed as nothing more than a misunderstanding. While studying the fossils first hand, Dr. Cuozzo (a dentist by trade) noticed that the jaw placement was 1” out of place, making it look as though it had a protruding lower jaw and giving it “ape-like” features. When Dr. Cuozzo pointed this out to the curator he was promptly dismissed and asked not to return. You can see Dr. Cuozzo recount the story in the 2005 Creation Boot Camp held in Pensacola, FL. -Neanderthal Man is a FraudOne embarrassing issue concerning Neanderthal man is, when it was discovered, a professor of anthropology had been “forging and manipulating scientific facts” concerning Neanderthals “over the past 30 years.” The February 19, 2005 edition of WorldNetDaily covered the story. Professor Protsch dated a female skeleton 21,300 years old, and another skull from Germany at 27,400 years old. The skeletons were later revealed to be 3,300 years old and 260 years old respectively. 2 -Evolutionists love getting the artist involved!< http://www.creationscienceevangelism.com/> Type in Search: Neanderthal's Ape-men or human= in the search blank.[drop-down]3,300 years old and 260 years old respectively. 2 -Maybe Neanderthals are Humans?The New York Times says Dr. Paabo’s obstacles include overcoming the fact that Neanderthal bones are “contaminated with modern human DNA.” Should we ever stop and consider that maybe it is because they are humans? Think about it: The brain capacity of a Neanderthal was 13% bigger than modern humans. The average height was 5’9”. They had “advanced” stone tools, buried their dead, and enjoyed art. Sounds like a normal human to me!
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