And, for what it's worth, I wasn't hurt by the arguments, I was hurt by the ATTITUDE. There is a huge difference. I honestly feel not welcome here because I'm Catholic. As to my feelings on circumcision, I actually feel sorry for you, and other American men, who feel that cutting off a part of your penis pleases God. I also feel it makes your American Protestant God look rather stupid in that he would create the male penis in such a way, only for part of it to be cut off at birth, with some degree of risk to the child, rather than make the baby foreskin-free in the first place. This totally defies the existence of a logical and perfect God who makes everything for a reason - I do believe even wisdom teeth (in that in the old days, people lost lower teeth so the wisdom teeth compensated, as happened with mine). From the beginning of Christianity until now, Christians have taught that we are free in Christ, and that cirucmcision is neither desired or mandated by God - that is all Christians except Americans. Americans are thus influenced by the same medical community, who teach it is somehow cleaner to be circumcised (despite God making the foreskin to help protect the penis), who teach that amalgam is ok and vaccines no problem.

So, my problem has not been the discussion, but the heaps of insults poured on Catholics. And this truly will be my last post on the subject because I don't like to argue with you or anyone else here. I am aware of your opinion as me as a Catholic, and I am pretty annoyed at the bigotry, but I appreciate this board, and all the work you do in it, and would not like to leave because we all can help each other so much, but I do find the denigration of Catholics to be a problem here, just as I'm sure a Muslim or Jew would find it to be a problem if it was their religion treated in such a fashion.