Carla said...


Great, but it's important to understand that not "basing your life on it"—as you said—pivots on one question, namely: "Who is Christ" (more on this later).

One of the best ways to reveal errors in an argument or belief system is to show internal conflicting ideas (ideas that are mutually exclusive) within the belief system. Your belief system has several very large internal conflicts. A belief system with this flaw leads to hypocrisy in either action or belief.

You have accused me (as has Demi) of "picking and choosing" what I want from the Bible, yet, you have decided to accept Christ as "being one with God" but have rejected the New Testament.

Assuming that the place you learned about Christ is the Bible (correct me if this is not true) and you decided to call Him "one with God", how is it that you choose not to accept the New Testament? When, in fact, the entire Old and New Testament is about Christ, and every book and letter within the Bible has Christ as it's central theme and symbolism, how can you hold these conflicting ideas without seeing the hypocrisy?

Why do you reject the New Testament?

If you can answer me this question, we can, perhaps, have some intelligent dialog about this subject.

Carla said...


If you would kindly pass along to me the chapter and verse where the Bible defines a Christian attitude as something other than being honest with someone, I'd like to see what you come up with. "Tough love", on the other hand, is a very familiar Biblical concept.

Again, (I told you this in a post some time ago) if I didn't care, I would not waste my time posting on this subject, however, I do care about the Bible and about those precious souls who will read this thread in the future; And I do not want to them to be mislead by your words; We already have most of the mainstream media that takes care of that rather efficiently.

I wish for these persons to see the truth about Christ and to be free to experience the same love, power, and self control that I have since accepting the gift of Christ; That is, the just payment for my errors (sin), my rebellion, my thoughtlessness that originally separated me from God. I wish for these to experience the quality of life that I have received by humbling myself to these truths that are from God. No money can buy this peace. It is the free gift of a loving yet just God.

"Behold therefore the goodness and [color:"red"]severity of God: on them which fell, severity;[/color] but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."
—Romans 11:22

Many people don't like to talk about uncomfortable things. They avoid them and try to ignore them for the sake of their own emotional comfort, but there are those among us that bring to our attention the difficult things as well as the comfortable, and I am one of these.

Notice in Romans Paul spealing about severity. People don't like to speak about these things much because they are uncomfortable because they are scary; They cause fear in many people, yet they are true. But we are called not to be fearful or cowardly:

"And he saith unto them, Why are ye fearful, O ye of little faith? Then he arose, and rebuked the winds and the sea; and there was a great calm."
—Matthew 8:26

"But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."
—Hebrews 11:6

and notice the first item in the following list:

"But the [color:"red"]cowardly[/color], unbelieveing, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolators, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
—Revelation 21:8

So we are to be brave and strong and to overcome fear, for fear is not from God:

"For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind."
—2 Timothy 1:7

And so I don't speak to you unknidly, but without fear, and you interpret that as being rude or unkind, but then, you are being subject to our warped culture in this opinion, among those who have come to believe that fearful people are "nice" and brave people are "harsh" or "rude". I don't wish to be unkind, but to speak the truth without fear.

"There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
—1 John 4:18

(This being one of my favorite verses in the Bible.)

Carla said...


This is what I mean by misquoting.

Of course there are those who have read the NT and do not accept it, however, I don't personally know any. In fact, those who do read it—with sincerity and humility—will eventually come to know the depth of the truths of which I am speaking and most will eventually come to experience the love, power, and self control which I made mention of.

Of course, if you base your opinions on the deceptive decidedly anti-Christian mainstream media, you would quickly come to another conclusion, and that is just as they want it to be.

Carla, reading the Bible and accepting Christ are two different things. I was simply saying that I have found that most who do the former, will eventually do the latter. You are glumping (inadvertently combining multiple ideas, treating them as a single idea).

Carla said...


Again, you are glumping. You are missing the central point.

The reason that people are attracted to the Bible is spiritual.

You have a habit of (I tell you this with good intent) combining truths and not seeing at them separately. For this reason, you attribute this attraction as "some pre-existing condition in people".

As I said in my previous post, it takes much "backtracking" to help someone separate these things they have combined because they are fundamental. Yet, I have posted this information in previous posts to you. Here's what you need to know.

A human is primarily three parts together, just at God is: Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

The Father is analogous to our soul, the emotional part of us. I'm not saying that the Father is our soul. Please don't confuse this point. Only that God is three and so are we; Being created in His image.

The Son is, obviously, flesh. The Holy Spirit, obviously, spirit. These parts of God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are how humans are modeled. Understanding this opens up scripture to us and ways we could not previously have imagined.

Now, when someone gets to know themselves and begins to see the divisions in these three parts of us, they begin to understand how these work together in us to make us complete. They also begin to understand some deeper concepts, like self control.

"For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do. Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me. I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me. For I delight in the law of God after the inward man: But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death? I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin."
—Romans 7:19-25

Self control often means not following your emotions. If you're in a situation and you see your emotions become inflamed, you might realize this it is an inappropriate time to "lose your temper". In this case, you have wisely subverted the misuse of one part of you—your soul—for the other—your spirit.

Some people might try to move objects with their mind. This is the misuse of one part—the Spirit (home of the mind, will, and intellect, among other things) for the use of another—the body.

In the same way, some people use their soul (emotion) to discern whether the Bible is true or not. This is not the proper way to discern the Bible and will lead to erroneous conclusions. You should rather pray that the Holy Spirit would help you intellectually (i.e. spiritually) understand these things, for the Holy Spirit conveys information to you through your own spirit and it takes some quiet contemplation to build the skill of discerning the "sound" of your own emotion from the "sound" of the Holy Spirit's voice, and of your own intellect; A function of your own spirit.

"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgment to the Gentiles."
—Matthew 12:18

God was "emotionally" pleased.

"Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy [color:"red"]heart[/color], and with all thy [color:"red"]soul[/color], and with all thy [color:"red"]mind[/color]."
—Matthew 22:37

For a deeper understanding of these concepts and assistance in getting to know one's self, see Strong's for "heart" (2588), "soul" (5590), and "mind" (1271). It is very enlightening.

Discerning the differences between these parts of you are, in part, what I refer to as, "getting to know yourself", and this is a vital part of understanding the depths of scripture.

Carla said...


The underlying question we are asked by scripture is:

Who is Christ?

Everyone has to make this determination for themselves. My only job is to make sure they get accurate information so they are well-informated when they do make the decision:

"And Jesus went out, and his disciples, into the towns of Caesarea Philippi: and by the way he asked his disciples, saying unto them, Whom do men say that I am? And they answered, John the Baptist: but some say, Elias; and others, One of the prophets. And he saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Peter answereth and saith unto him, Thou art the Christ. And he charged them that they should tell no man of him. And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again. And he spake that saying openly. And Peter took him, and began to rebuke him. But when he had turned about and looked on his disciples, he rebuked Peter, saying, Get thee behind me, Satan: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but the things that be of men. And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel's, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels."
—Mark 8:27-38


Who is Christ?

"Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily. But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost. And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name [color:"red"]Emmanuel[/color], which being interpreted is, God with us. Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS."
—Matthew 1:18-25

Emmanuel (Strong's 1694) is literally translated, "God with us", as the text says.

"And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."
—Matthew 3:17

"He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven."
—Matthew 16:15-17

"While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him."
—Matthew 17:5

"Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen."
—Matthew 28:20

"And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven."
—Mark 14:62

"And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased."
—Luke 3:22

"Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am. And they said, What need we any further witness? for we ourselves have heard of his own mouth."
—Luke 22:70-71

"And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."
—John 6:35

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life. I am that bread of life."
—John 6:47-48

"I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world."
—John 6:51

"Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am."
—John 8:58