Demi...Russ, I have said all I have to say. I've learnt in my life that sometimes it is sadly necessary to bow out of discussions because the person you are discussing things with is never likely to see your point of view
It's good that you're thinking about the point of this discussion. That is an important point.
I would suggest looking at the point of this discussion not to convince someone of something, but rather to know yourself better.It's hard to get people to change their minds about anything, even about mercury in amalgam fillings. All I can do is tell the truth and people can respond as they choose. How they choose is how they define themselves. In other words, you are defined by the decisions you make or what you do.
If you want to know yourself better, look at your decisions, your responses and your actions.
Why would you want to do this?
Because it is the first step to knowing anyone else.
Knowing how to know yourself is the first step to having great relationships with others, which is also more-than helpful in having a relationship with God.
I know so many people who live and will likely die without ever understanding this great principle and will never reap the wonderful and all-important benefits it provides.
They are usually those who go through life blaming others for their problems, never taking responsibility for their lives and thinking things are so unfair, never experiencing the freedom and pleasure of taking personal responsibility for their actions.
I don't view this discussion as a way to convince you of my viewpoint. It's a way for me to help you know yourself. Whether or not you do is up to you. The same holds true for all of the silent onlookers, which are many. This discussion will also help me know myself. I'm always open to that because I understand the benefits, both to others and to myself.
So what can you gain by this discussion.
Know yourself. It is the first step to every other successful relationship in your life.
CarlaWhat do you mean "authored by God"?
Specifically, when an Old Testamant prophet says, "Thus saith the LORD", are the following words the words of God?
Also, do you believe the first 5 books of the Bible the words of God?
These commandments were invented by humans based on their own personal understanding of the meaning of life and on their own ideas as to how their own particular society would benefit from following certain rules.
Did you know the largest, most powerful nation in the history of the world grew up under Biblical law. In fact, the following of this law is the cause of it's greatness. This nation has since changed which law it follows dramatically and is now frail as a result.
"I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers - and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerc - and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution - and it vas not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great."—Unknown (formerly credited to Toqueville)
When you say "commandments", are you referring to the Ten Commandments? That these are written by man?
There is an interesting thing about law and why it never was to change. The bottom line is this, the nature of mankind does not change, so neither does law. Think about it. The only thing that has really changed in human history is technology. The nature of mankind stays the same.
Did you know that law in America was never to be changed. Part of the job of the government was to apply the non-changing Biblical law to different situations. It worked better than anything in history, which should not be surprising. Now, unfortunately, this law is not used in America and only remnants of it remain which is why these economies are failing. If people would only learn from history, things could be pretty good for everyone.