Russ, can you debate a topic without going to the old Jewish & Christian bible to defend your viewpoints? What it boils down to is that you're saying that the Bible is its own authority. How can a book be its own authority?

Suppose you really wanted to convince someone of your point of view - could you debate on a secular level? Because if you can't talk to people without going back to The Book/God as You Know Him Personally, then you are in effect saying that you are the only one marching in step.


Animals feel pain & suffering just as we do, and they value their lives as much as we value ours.