DEMI: It is wrong to believe we can attain salvation for ourselves, but it isn't wrong to strive to be more caring people.

CARLA; Well, now, this minidebate all hinges, then, on the definition of "salvation". If it is okay with you, I will make my own definition.

DEMI: Hatred doesn't achieve anything.

CARLA: God gave us all emotions, not just one or two. I keep going back to Ecclesiastes (not that I follow the Old or any other Testament, but in discussion with religionists, why shouldn't I be able to refer to it): it says that "there is a time to love and a time to hate".



DEMI: Everyone is meant to be loving towards each other, but it doesn't happen because people have hard and cold hearts.

CARLA: What you call "cold-hearted", I would call a commonsense response to being kind and then being sh*t on in return. That we should repay deliberate cruelty with love & understanding is utter madness.