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#62594 04/26/11 10:02 AM
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As a result of medication withdrawal, candida, parasites(blasto) and previous mercury fillings I have chronic fatigue. I don't know how much of a role each of these have in it, but the med withdrawal was the catalyst. Anyway, I have found my energy levels and general mood fluctuates a lot as I ride the roller coaster of healing/detox or whatever is going on in my body, always overall getting better. However the last 5 days or so have been terrible. I go to bed at 4am and wake up at 2pm, and it's taking a lot of effort just to get up at 2pm. After which I feel REALLY tired and fatigued throughout the day, more so than usual. I eat quite a healthy diet, try to walk often, take anti-fungal & anti-parasitic herbs like cloves and thyme regularly which helped me regain the weight i lost with the blasto infection. To give you an idea of how tired i have been feeling, when the blasto was doing max damage I lost a total 18kg and I think the tiredness I'm feeling now was greater than I had during that period.

So I guess my question is at what point should this become a concern? Are there any tests i should go for? Maybe i should just suck it up as another wave of symptoms? Also this might seem like a crazy theory but I thought it is worth mentioning that my dad recently bought 3 electromagnetic/ultranonic pest repelent units. One is in the room next door and one is directly above my bedroom. I did a google search and turned up only a couple of threads where people stated it gave them a headaches. But I have read in the past EMF being a possible cause of chronic fatigue. I wonder if this is having any effect?

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Try adding raw garlic to your diet. One clove(section) after each meal chewed well, and washed down with plenty of water.
Licorice root, magnesium supplements, vitamin B12 supplements(even injections if necessary) and carnitine supplements will help increase your energy. I suggest that you east plenty of nuts and seeds, as these are a good source of minerals(especially magnesium) and calories, protein, and fiber.

Are you on a low carb diet? A low carb diet will help fight candida. Besides garlic, you could add turmeric, ginger, cinnamon, and other spices to fight candida. Cloves are good, although huge amounts of cloves or thyme can result in toxicity, especially if used over long periods.

Do you get enough vitamin D? Vitamin D is essential for detoxification, and vitamin D deficiency can greatly affect calcium metabolism, and disrupt your sleep.


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yeah I had been getting a fair bit of sun exposure leading up to the symptoms. In fact about 3 hours of midday exposure over the course of a few days. I did have low vitamin D last tested but should be increasing.

Yeah all the stuff you mentioned is great and a regular part of my diet although I have backed off from taking them daily. These days it's more like every 3rd day I take either cloves, thyme, ginger, cinnamon or a combo of 2 or more. And you don't have to pitch the raw garlic to me, I'm sold on that, I've used it in the past with great success. You should try purple garlic, it has a far stronger taste than the white stuff and I think it's much more effective also. My only concern with too much raw garlic and too much of the other stuff is killing off good bacteria in the gut as well as the bad. That's why I've been trying to focus more on the probiotics.

Magneisum and calcium supplements have weird effects on me, I don't know why but they make me feel drugged out.

I'm not on a low carb diet. I've tried it in the past for 5 months straight with little success and I was very strict with it. I consume meat, fruit, fruit juice, rice, potatoes and gluten free bread regularly.

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"My only concern with too much raw garlic and too much of the other stuff is killing off good bacteria in the gut as well as the bad. "

It is a myth that garlic kills beneficial bacteria. Fruit juice is bad for you. The sudden absorption of large amounts of fructose is a stress on the liver. At least when you eat whole fruit, the fiber in it slows down the fructose absorption. Too much whole fruit is not good though, and those who suffer from candida should at least avoid the high sugar fruits such as dates, figs, raisins, grapes, apples, and oranges. Fruits such as berries, canteloup, and tomatoes are much lower in sugar.

JK98 #62618 04/27/11 01:14 PM
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It's hard to argue with you on the fruit juice, while it hasn't been a problem up till recently and it is quick and convenient that will be the first thing that gets dropped from the diet.

What would you consider huge amounts of cloves in regards to toxicity? I usually take 1 teaspoon at a time(maybe 8-10 pieces of clove) and have taken it up to 3 times a day.

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Three teaspoons of cloves a day is a very large dose. Most of the time when they talk about toxicity of cloves, they are talking about the oil, although I can imagine powdered cloves could also be a problem in large doses. I have not seen any suggested maximum amount for powdered cloves. I tried searching the net for this, and couldn't find a good answer. I saw things such as food quantities are safe, but as a spice, I doubt people use more than 1/4 of a teaspoon per person each day. My gut feeling is that a teaspoon a day is probably the maximum you should take. I read one web page talking about wormwood and other medicinal herbs that might be toxic in larger doses or over longer periods, and they said that essentially it would be much less toxic to take 1/3 the dose of three different ones than the large dose of a single one. Just something to think about. cloves are great for fighting candida and parasites. perhaps 1/3 of a teaspoon three times a day(after each meal?)might be a better idea, especially if you eat a clove of garlic with it.

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I see that some parasite cleanse plans have people take up to 9 500mg capsules a day of ground cloves. This is equivalent to two teaspoons. These cleanses last for 4 weeks then people take a few months off before doing this again. Some of the cleanses have people take one capsule 3x a day, then perhaps work up to 3 at a time 3 times a day for just a week. So I guess two teaspooons a day of ground cloves taken continuously is too much.

JK98 #62627 04/27/11 11:45 PM
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Thyme can also be toxic if used in excess or for long periods of time.

JK98 #62630 04/28/11 10:39 AM
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Magnesium malate is great for helping decrease pain and increase energy. It is magnesium with malic acid. I use the Source Naturals Magnesium Malate 1250 mg tablets, which are very inexpensive. I take 3 or 4 of these a day. i am not suggesting that people get many tests done, I just provided this link as a source of general information.

http://www.greatplainslaboratory.com/home/eng/fibromyalgia.asp
http://www.ihealthdirectory.com/malic-acid/

My theory about why you feel weird when taking calcium or magnesium supplements is that you are probably deficient in them. Do you take zinc supplements? when I am feeling horrible I usually get some relief from detox teas. My favorite is the triple Leaf Detox Tea. These teas have herbs such as red clover, dandelion, ginger, burdock, licorice root, and cinnamon which are very helpful in detoxification. Most of these herbs also have a diuretic effect.


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