hi all. idk if anyone remembers me but its been a while since I posted. I tested high for Mercury a few years ago. Did a few rounds of chelation on 2 seperate occasions and my heavy metal urine test showed that my mercury levels went from off the charts to almost non existant but my lead was slightly high which did not show up in the first test. I decided to stop chelation therapy because of money and started taking chlorella, cilantro and algin instead..still do not feel much of a difference in my health

should I continue chelating? and does the lower levels of mercury in the urine test mean I got rid of all my mercury?? need some advice. Thanks

It might mean that your body still has plenty of mercury, but isn't excreting much. Mercury in the nervous system and brain is difficult to remove. What are you using for chelation? Are you using ALA alone, or ALA+DMSA? DMSA works quike well at removing lead, although since lead is stored in the bones, it can take years for enough bone turnover to occur so the lead can be removed.

at the moment, I'm not chelating at all. I starting to doubt whether or not heavy metals are causing my symptoms several rounds of chelation therapy didnt seem to help and so I stopped going plus it was expensive after a while. But now I'm thinking I dont respond to anything else as far as herbs for adrenals, energy, thyroid..nothing as all the symptoms for these chronic conditions are very similar.

My symptoms started after smoking marijuana one night in college and having my first ever panic attack which was pretty severe I must say. When I woke up the next day, I knew my life changed and not for the better. felt like my soul jumped out of my body, literally and like i got hit by a bus. Had a number of test done and the only thing that showed up was high mercury, Epstein Barr, adrenal fatigue and low vitamin d. Antivirals dont work, mega dose of vitamin c didnt work..supplementation with vitamin d didnt help either and I removed my mercury fillings a while back too. I dont repsond to anything which is making me not want to spend anymore money on treatments as I am a broke college student lol. Idk if a traumatic event or panic attack can bring on mercury poisoning symptoms so maybe it is not the root of my problem after all..

Are you taking vitamin and mineral supplements? For vitamin D to be converted in the body to its active form, magnesium, boron, zinc, and vitamin A are needed. Many people in the US are magnesium deficient. Zinc deficiency is also rather common. Are you taking high potency B vitamins? A deficiency of B vitamins can cause anxiety. Are you anemic? Are you sensitive to perfumes, diesel fumes, and cleaning chemicals? Did your blood vitamin D levels rise to normal ater taking the vitamin D? Exactly what are your symptoms? Fatigue? Anxiety? Is you body temperature usually normal or below normal?

My symptoms are fatigue, lightheaded after standing, sensivtive to heat, insomnia, indigestion, tinnitus, low stamina(tired from walking stairs), exercise intolerance, mild depressed, hungry and thirsty spells where I feel I have to eat or drink or I will pass out.

I stopped everything at the moment but I was taking a real good multivitamin that including all of the vitamins and minerals I need including Natural Calm Magnesium at night which helped me sleep sometimes. I did have a B vitamin deficiency that I corrected with supplementation. No I am not anemic but my mom is. and I am sensitive to perfumes and certain chemicals. my vitamin d did go up a bit when I took about 5-10 units every night for a few months. and yes my body temperature was actually low at about 95.9 upon waking but I used a digital themometer if that makes a difference by my thyroid levels have always been normal and iodine doesnt help neither. I literally respond to nothing.

when I take ALA though I do feel brain fog and like it is definitely detoxing my brain. can that be a sign that even tho my mercury levels dropped that I might still have mercury in the brain??

Have you tried taking licorice root? I often drink licorice root tea. It helps boost my mood, and decrease the fibromyalgia pain. Carnitine supplements 1 or 2 grams a day may boost your energy.
Creatine supplements may improve muscle fuction. Magnesium malate(magnesium with malic acid) may also help boost your energy.

A multivitamin probably won't contain enough magnesium unless it is one of those 8 pill a day formulas. My magnesium intake is over 800 mg a day. I take over 500 mg in pill form, and over 300 mg a day in my diet. I also get over 1,200 mg a day of calcium.

I am also sensitive to heat, and tend to run low temperatures. At times my temperature is in the 96.6-97 degree range. I take 25 mg a day of iodine plus 200 mcg a day of selenium(plus I might get up to 200 mcg a day of selenium in my diet). Selenium is needed to convert t4 to the more active T3. In the body mercury binds with selenium making it unavailable.

Taking molybdenum 500 mcg a day will help decrease the sensitivity to perfumes and diesel fumes, which is an aldehyde sensitivity. Candida also produce aldehydes, so those who have sensitivity to perfume and diesel fumes are also likely to have candida overgrowth. Molybdenum is part of the enzyme the body uses to break down aldehydes(and also the enzyme that breaks down sulfites).

How much vitamin D did you take? Do you mean you took 5,000-10,000IU a day?

Brain fog when using ALA might be due to stimulating candida growth, and not detoxification.

Increasing your salt intake(don't overdo it though) might decrease the lightheadedness. Does your nlood pressure sometimes get too low?

sorry for the long wait JK. I did try licorice tea once before and had a bad reaction like I was allergic to it but I'm not sure whats in it that would cause that. I am allergic to ragweed but licorice is not in that family. I heard licorice can lower potassium and I do have low potassium a while back but I have supplemented and increased my potassium intake via foods so thats better now.

and yes I was taking 5,000-10,000IU of vitamin D a day for about a month and my levels did go up but I didnt feel any better..in fact it made me feel a little worst.

My blood pressure was usually on the high side since getting sick but I do have orthostatic hypotension which happens when there is a drop in blood pressure upon standing so definitely something happening there but idk what. I've heard adrenal fatigue can cause this.

I am stuck as I dont know if heavy metals are my problem since my levels have gone down significantly or if I should be focusing on epstein barr, candida, adrenals or something else. A part of me feels like these things are all symptoms of heavy metals but my mercury is way down and I feel pretty much the same..

The candida is a sign that your immune system is damaged. You could have a test done to measure your natural killer cell activity. This is typically depressed in those with candida overgrowth. Keep taking the vitamin D3. Vitamin D is necessary for detoxification. Sensitivity to heat is a typical hypothyroid symptom. You should be taking selenium supplements, perhaps 200-400 mcg a day, as selenium is necessary to convert T4 into the active T3. Tinnitus means you need more B12, magnesium and zinc.

Mercury is naturally gotten rid through the bowel, with little or none leaving through the urine unless you take a chelating agent which causes urinary excretion of mercury.

Try eating plenty of cilantro and see how you react to that. I think cilantro is helping me, as is fighting candida using Now Candida Clear.

ok sounds like a plan. I will take some cilantro and see how I react to it.

and the problem with me taking vitamin d is I have slightly elevated calcium levels and vitamin d can elevate them even more. I tested for hyperparathyroid but that came back normal. Weird..

are you still sensitive to heat? and how are you now vs when you first started on this detox journey?

I am still very sensitive to heat, and especially to heat and high humidity. I guess I need to incease my sodium intake.

Is your diet very high in calcium? Perhaps you need to increase your magnesium intake, and try to limit your calcium intake.

TruJerz,
It sounds like you have POTS. Join the club. What were you doing to chelate? I'm pretty much convinced that in the very least DMSA is worthless and you might as well just throw the pills down the drain.

Dr. Buttar says that DMSA is toxic.
http://www.drbuttar.com/blog/?p=96

Even Dr. Mercola is against DMSA too.

DMPS seems to be improving my heat intolerance so I'm pretty excited about that!

This proves how clueless dr. buttar really is.

DMSA doesn't even get in the brain and enters nerve cells so how can it be neurotoxic?

DMSA increases mercury excretion as much as dmps so both detox you with the same speed.

DMSA increases yeast a lot that's why many do better on DMPS.

If you want to get detoxed you need to use ALA of course since neither DMPS or DMSA will clear your brain which is the main target organ of mercury intoxication.

Many of the so-called success stories with DMPS aren't really success stories a lot of people who were supposed to be cured by DMPS regress a few years later and are sicker than ever because they never cleared the mercury from their organs.

thanks birdlady! and yes, I'm pretty sure I have POTS too. my heat intolerance has not gotten better after chelating..probably worst if anything.

funny you mention DMPS. that was the first chelator I took but I swithced doctors because of location..it was too far of a drive for me. thats good to hear your heat intolerance is getting better with it! are you getting IVs or is do they have it in pill form?

and also I wanna know if its possible for my mercury levels to go down and still be mercury poisoned. I don't feel any better but my levels went down a lot. could it be I'm not excreting mercury?

Can you scientifically refute the science behind what Dr. Buttar has presented? I'd really love to hear it. Thanks!



Results are what matters. How many people here have been cured with Dr. Cutler's protcol?

TruJerz,
If I were not feeling better and I thought I did enough chelation where I should be feeling better by now, then I'd move on to something else most likely. However as you said, the non-excreting thing may be happening or the chelator isn't enough. I really do not know! I am taking oral DMPS.

Birdlady, why are you so negative towards DMSA? It is only used to lower the burden on your body, before you introduce ALA. It alone won't cure you. You keep commenting on threads attacking DMSA, but then more cases I read - the more success I see with DMSA/ALA. Infact, I was chatting to a guy local to my only yesterday who cured himself through the Cutler Protocol almost 90%... and that was in less than a year.

I was skeptical at first of it, but the more I read - the more I think it works. But everyone who made it work said you have to be very strict with it.

If DMPS is so good - then you should be feeling somewhat better now, right?

Yes.

Basically he says that DMSA(Dimercaptosuccinic acid) is a neurotoxin because it competes with succinic acid in the citric acid cycle which takes place in the inside of cells in the mitochondria and thus lowers the energy production of the cells.

Neurotoxin means of course toxic to nerve cells. So he believes it will poison the brain cells by replacing succinic acid in the inside of cells.

The problem is:

DMSA stays mostly in your blood and outside your cells. It doesn't really get into the brain.

Then DMSA really doesn't get into cells because it cannot pass the cell membranes.

So to poison a brain cell the DMSA would have to:

1) cross the BBB which it doesn't
2) cross the cell membranes of the brain cells which it hardly does
3) cross the membranes of the mitochondria which are similar to the cell membranes
4) be present in sufficient amounts in the mitochondria to compete with the succinic acid in the citric acid cycle which is already there

Then keep in mind that he said neurotoxin. If dr. buttar were really right DMSA would be able to poison any cell by the process described above and any organ not selectively nerve cells, it would infact be least toxic to brain cells since it doesn't enter the brain!

It is already known however that DMSA is LESS toxic then DMPS and a substance of very low toxicity.

So dr. Buttar's argument is really retarded since DMSA would more likely cause neurotoxic effects by increasing yeast which produces neurotoxins or by mobilising neurotoxic metals etc.

To make things even worse dr. cutler which unlike me or dr. butter happens to be a real chemist and scientist said the succinic acid is not even that closely related to DMSA so the chemistry behind this is even more flawed. So even if it would enter cells it would not inhibit the citric acid cycle.




Some people get so toxic that they can't follow simple instructions anymore.

I think she used DMSA every 4 hours without ALA for several years because she doesn't understand how to chelate properly. DMSA and DMPS just clear the bloodstream.

Unsurprisingly she is no better and now attacks everything which dr. cutler says instead of chelating properly!

I used to be a fan of DMSA, however it made my candida so much worse. I am off DMSA for a few months, and still struggling with severe candida infection. I don't think I want to ever try DMSA again.

Lately I have been eating plenty of cilantro, and taking 25 mg a day of iodine. Oregano oil and Now Candida Clear seem to be helping somewhat to fight the candida. Do I dare try taking ALA again?

Why would you still be still taking DMSA though? In theory you should only need to use it for a few months at best before introducing ALA. Just take very low doses of ALA at first and see how you tolerate it.

I would stay clear of cilantro for now. I've read too many sketchy statements on it. ALA is very cheap.

I was taking DMSA with ALA for a long time. i have probably done close to 100 rounds of chelation, and I don't think it has helped much.

It is not the price of ALA that is the problem, but the side effects. My sleep is already so messed up that chelating with ALA on the Cutler protocol seems out of the question, at least for now. I think the cilantro and iodine are helping though.