That Christians for Wholeness site should be most educational for openhearted Christians. Harriet, if you are still here, thanks for mentioning the circumcision info on Mothering site.

Russ, I most certainly do read your posts - but they are mostly lengthy religious references, plus your commentary on them. And that is exactly what Judaism is all about (the Talmud - an exposition followed by endless commentary.)

And I don't live my life according to the Bible, if what it says goes against my conscience. What else do I have to go by??? There is informatiion in the bible that I do agree with, and I will say so, but if there are passaages that are hard to interpret, then you and everyone else for whom the bible is central to your life will interpret it according to your own values.

If something in the bible bothers you, if you think it is wrong for us to apply it to today's world, why go against it? God can handle it! Because Jesus made it plain that what counts is what is in one's HEART - we should not get all wound up trying to interpret scripture, like the Pharisee rabbis of old.

John, Chapter 8, Verse 44 says it all. It's ancient rabbinical thought (genital cutting) vs Blood of Christ cancelling it all out! And you are still stuck in the ancient way, discarded by Christ! I can't believe it! In this day and age!

A couple of days ago you asked me, elsewhere, who I thought did not have a chance of salvation. Well, that depends on your definition of salvation, which is never made completely clear to my satisfaction. But my brief answer would be, "Those who refuse to reject circumcision of the infant male."

And I am quite distressed that when I ask simple questions as to how you would handle questioning from a man whose penis was badly damaged by an UN-necessary genital cutting, you completely ignore that question. You cannot just go about ignoring difficult questions. Elsewhere, you longed to hear people say those lovely words, "I don't know." Yet, you yourself are not using those words in response to MY questions.

This is my last post on this subject, so you don't have to lock this thread or ban me. I am not going to wreck it for everyone else who may want to continue on this topic.

Thank you.