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In Hawking's new book he states God did not create the universe we just got lucky and we do have laws..
and the "Big Bang" was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics and "Because there is a law such as gravity,
the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
And the lucky combination of Earth-Sun distance and solar mass...
the universe can and will create itself from nothing.
Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the universe exists, why we exist," Hawking writes..
How Spontaneously lucky can one get.
We sure hit the jackpot on that one for sure.
And we do have laws but no need for God to make them, so thats where their at theses days.
We are just lucky, lucky, lucky indeed..
Until our luck runs out of course..
But time will tell on that one, right.
Time to run out and buy myself a lotto ticket to see if I could hit the jackpot.
The odds are much better on that one right, and I do feel lucky today indeed.. Hmmmmm
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The luck goddess sure has taken pains to make everything appear to be created!
I was just reading about Hawkins' latest over at William Lane Craig's forum. The scoffers are all trying to say WLC must accept his illogical philosophical conclusions because WLC has accepted one or two of Hawkin's claims in the past. What a principle!
Think about it. If Adolf Hitler anywhere claimed something like, say "a hammer has the capacity to drive nails", and you agree on this point, you are obliged to agree with Hitler on everything he ever said.
That's scoffer logic.
In real logic, arguments consist of premises which lead to inescapable conclusions. Only if ALL premises are accepted as true is one obliged to accept a given conclusion, and there is no "credit" or "holdover effect" accrued to any individual from one argument to the next.
Sad to see Hawkins (or anyone else) sell out to the deceptive evogoddess of luck.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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Well, I don't know who this 'Hawkings' fellow is, but I would throw out that book FAST! That's a bunch of garbage! There's no such thing as 'luck', with Christians. There's a saying,"Our spirit grows by what we feed it." So, why whould anybody want to read that garb? I don't feel lucky. I FEEL BLESSED! The King of all the earth, has chosen me to be his predestined child forever! Hallelujah! JESUS IS LORD! 
Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." [John 14:6]
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Yep, (((( Smiles ))))
The luck goddess has struck again.
They count their lucky stars except it's not theirs to count.
They just don't know it of yet.
Whats more important to be famous or to be saved?
Depends on who you ask of course but rather then be mighty lucky...
I'd rather be mighty blessed: That's a bunch of garbage!
You said it!
Yet...
Many experts in various scientific fields perceive intelligent design in nature.
They find it illogical to think that the intricate complexity of life on earth came by chance.
( or pure luck )
Hence, a number of scientists and researchers believe in a Creator.
The scientific community is well aware of the complexity found in life. Yet....
Theses fascinating facts are generally presented in a strong evolutionary context.
But after much carefull study of liveing things and consideration of the way the laws governing the universe seem perfectly adjusted so that life on earth can exist.
Lots also have come to the conclusion it wasen't just pure luck a toss of the dice, BINGO!
Count my lucky stars it's just one of those things!
Might it be that evolutionists look at their evidence with presupposed conclusions ?
Allowing their own presupposed conclusions to influence the way they view evidence..
Yes.. I think it could be self serving and the way they want to view it all their conclusions and their facts.
That the immense energy required to form the universe could have orginated without a powerfull Creator.
Why so against a God or the God of the Holy Scriptures????
That they want to do away with a God/ Creator completely thats what I see it as..
Yet, the complexity, organization,and precision involved evident in the cell?
We just got lucky that's all..
Life is simply too complicated to have arisen by chance.
Lots of people just don't want to except that they prefer lucky instead of blessed.
From the rising of the sun unto the going down of the same the Lord's name is to be praised.
The day goeth away, for the shadows of the evening are stretched out.
But it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
The King of kings and Lords of lords, who alone has immortality"
( 1 Timothy 6:15,16.)
This world is passing away dying as is.
Only God has the power over life and death and immortality"
You just can't count on your lucky stars it's not just pure luck at the end of this system of things as is, of now?
Ah yes...
There's a saying,"Our spirit grows by what we feed it."
and We possess sensory perception, self-awareness, intelligent thought, communication abilities, and feelings.
In particular, we can experience, appreciate, and express love.
And...
Evolution cannot explain how these wonderful human qualites came to be.
So they say as well so, I choose God's word over theirs..
This makes much more sense to me, then theirs.
I need a Savior and I guess they don't.
Oh, well.
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100 Years Of Fruit Fly Tests Show No Evolution... It's a geat thing when people are allowed to view both sides of the coin and be able to use their own God given brain to decide for themselves what they believe to be true or not and of course... I'm not counting my lucky stars but counting on the One who made me. The Heavens Declare His Glory! I have eye's to view it too. God made sure of that! So there will be no excuse just didn't see it. Plus.. A Trial Without A Defense Is A Sham. Business Without Competition Is A Monopoly. And...... Science Without Debate Is Propaganda. What An Interesting Site This Is... The Science Delusion. http://thescincedelusion.blogspot.com/2010/08/100-years-of-fruit-fly-tests-show-no.htmlInteresting cartoons as well.
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Indeed, that the Grand Creator was able to create man from the dust of the earth in a fear inspiring and wonderfull way increases our appreciation for His unlimited power, skill, and practical wisdom.
---- Deuteronomy 32:4, footnote; Psalm 139:14...
In a physical way, we are dust, ( Dirt or Clay )
" Jehovah God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a liveing soul."
[Genesis 2:7]
Plus.. " Out of Dust"
The World Book Encyclopedia reports; " All the chemical elements that make up living things are also present in nonliving matter ."
In other words, the basic chemicals that go to make up living organisms includeing man , are also found in the earth itself.
This harmonizes with the Bible's statement:
" And Jehovah God proceeded to form the
man out of dust from the ground."
-- Genesis 2:7..
Humans are unique..
The book of Genesis reveals that God personally formed the first man " of the dust of the ground , and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life
( Genesis 2:7 , New King James throughout )
And significantly , God created man and women ,
" in his own image "
( Genesis 1:27 )
Only humans were made in the image of God...
Thus from the beginning , the Bible shows that man and women were
designed to have the capacity to have a special relationship with God.
This capacity sets humans apart from the rest of creation...
From a purely physical stand point , human life is no different from that of animals..
( Ecclesiastes 3:19-20 )
Humans and animals have a transient biochemical existence..
But in humans there is a significant added dimensions..
God endowed human beings with minds..
That makes us unique almong all creatures...
That's why we need and yearn for a relationship with God.
I think yearning may be the key... To healing and faith..
Plus by the "Words of the Lord" the heavens were made..
All matter created by sound wave???
But on Nova the newest research is life indicates that all life in the universe came from sound. Sound Waves = Matter..
"The Elegant Universe".
But then again there is let their be light" light particles.
It is just so facinating all the research out there and the complexity in life.
In the cell your DNA just love to read up on it all and..
Yet, ..Despite Being Made of Dust, being taken/formed out of the earth, I Push Ahead! ((( Smiles )))
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But on Nova the newest research is life indicates that all life in the universe came from sound. Sound Waves = Matter..
"The Elegant Universe".
God Spoke the Heavens and Earth into Existence!
" Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God,
so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
--- Hebrews 11:3
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