Most people have had their teeth filled at least once in their life so most of them have amalgam. Why in the world does this amalgam problem doesn't get more publications if it's that dangerous?

I would say a lot of reasons.

1. Opinion of "experts" is that there is not enough mercury leaking from the fillings to cause health problems. Even though it has been proved mercury is released from the fillings, some people even deny this and believe the mercury is locked tight in the filling.

2. Different people respond differently to the mercury released into their bodies. Some people are not at all affected either because they have strong resistance to toxins (just like some people can drink more alcohol than others before getting drunk), they eliminate the mercury vey quickly so it doesn't store up, or they don't have genetic predisposition to the areas mercury attacks i.e. not predisposed genetically to disorders of the nervous system and endoctrine system. Others are sensitive to the mercury or even the other metals in amalgam. Diet and lifestyle can also be factors.

3. Reaction to Amalgam isn't usually immediate. So, it may be months or years before someone develops a health problem. It depends how long it takes for the mercury to affect them based on points in no.2. Therefore doctors don't make the connection. Also, as people respond differently to the mercury, the symptoms are not likely to be the same in 2 different people.

4. "If millions of people have amalgam and millions of people aren't ill, amalgan can't be dangerous". Well, millions of people DO have problems. Many people suffer from migraines, allergies, hormone imbalance, fatigue, thrush and, muscle pains. These are so common that products to help can be found in supermarkets. It's quite possible these problems are influenced by mercury. Many other people have more serious problems like MS, chronic fatigue, clinical depression, OCD, Bipolar, and other conditions and diseases. They too may well be victims of amalgam.

5. Denial of liability by the dental and medical professions. If they ADMIT they have caused suffering to millions of people, in various way, just imagine how much they would have to pay out in compensation?

There are scientific studies that prove mercury leaks from the fillings. There are scientific studies that prove mercury is highly toxic to human beings. There are 60,000 documented cases of mercuy poisoning from fillings. But there is not one single scientific study that proves mercury amalgam is safe.

The only way to honestly and accurately explain this is to explain the coverup from 10,000 feet.

(1) Sick people are extremely profitable to pharmaceutical companies.

(2) Pharmaceutical companies are extremely profitable to the news organizations and mass media of all types (advertising dollars).

(3) To keep pharmaceutical companies happy and keep the cash (billions) flowing, mass media cooperates by denying those attempting to expose this silent epidemic by not allowing them air time thereby greatly extending the life of the epidemic.

(4) The U.N. has a huge agena related to "population control" (the reduction of world population by at least 75%). You can visit their website and read all about it. Search for agenda 21.

(5) The U.N. is controlled by the same small group of people who control nearly 100% of mass media in the U.S. (and several other countries) and the Federal Reserve Bank (a privately-held corporation that receives your "income" tax dollars).

(6) Pharmaceutical drugs and mercury both contribute to the accomplishment of agenda 21 (and others) by killing millions each year (see Drug-Related Mortaility) making those who promote U.N. policy happy.

This information—although difficult to believe for some—is the result of years of research and can be confirmed by anyone willing to put the time in.

The BIble also speaks of this end-time conspiracy. Here are few examples:

Biblical Sorcery and Modern Drugs

"...but outside are sorcerers..."—Bible

"...they did not repent of their 'medication'..."—BIBLE

"...for by your medication were all the nations deceived."—BIBLE


The central bank of the U.S., most of the executive branch of government, and most large health "associations/societies" are also controlled by this small group of powerbrokers.

Examples of "Controlled" Organizations: Centers for Disease Control (CDC), National Institutes of Health (NIH), American Cancer Society (ACS), American Dental Association (ADA), National Science Foundation (NSF), and many more.

Well said, Russ. You've probably read or at least heard of Kevin Trudeau's book "Natural Cures That "They" Don't Want You To Know About" and you've probably visited some of my favorite websites related to Biblical prophecy and the end times.

Yes, I've heard of Kevin and believe the work he is doing is helpful for people to see the corruption that actually exists in the U.S. government.

I also worked in politics in the 90s when I became aware of and began to study the grand multi-generational conspiracies. Truth is stranger than fiction.

Well, amalgam poisoning is hard to proove, as you can only test for it when your body is actually excreting it. I even know someone who did the DMSA challenge, and her results were over 300 percent over what's concidered normal. But the doctor said that that was fine, referring to data from the 1980s.

Also, if amalgam poisoning is really responsible for a lot of diseases, it means the dental associations and governments are responsible for thousands of deaths. However, sweden and germany have banned and are even helping people detox.

And, as already said, some people seem fine with amalgam fillings, for the time being anyway, so perhaps it just affects people with naturally low immune systems? And some people don't even realise IBS, cronic fatigue syndrom, [insert incureable disease here] are often due to amalgam poisoning.

So let me get this straight -- are you suggesting that the United Nations is involved in a conspiracy to kill people off by allowing amalgams to be put into people's mouths?

I don't suppose you have any proof of this conspiracy by the UN to kill us all with amalgams?

Hint: That the UN has a population control policy is NOT evidence that they are trying to kill us all with amalgams.

Very plausible reasons, Demi, and very well put - I agree with your analysis.

Just to elaborate on your reason #1, it's extremely hard to change public perception about something that has been accepted for so long as "normal" in a culture. When people are indoctrinated to believe something (that's what they teach them in dental school, that amalgams are safe etc.), and an established group of "experts" perpetuates that information, the vast majority of the public accepts it as "truth", especially if they don't experience the sickness themselves.

It's tough business changing people's established beliefs, despite the evidence to the contrary.

We don't need grand conspiracy theories about UN plots to kill people with amalgams to understand human behaviour as it pertains to the amalgam situation. Accepted "truths" are passed down through a culture as a matter of faith, and once those beliefs become engrained, they become difficult to change.

And of course the other reasons that Demi mentioned are mitigating factors.

Hey Tom,

Let's talk some more.

Before you so quickly judge the things that I say, please know that I've studied (not read about, not listened to, not thought about, not pondered), studied the government, law, and the activities of the subversive groups within the U.S. government since the early 90s. I know what I'm talking about on this subject.

I've known my share of people who make snap judgements about these issues who know nothing about it, and then, finally, one day, wake up from their deep sleep and feel afraid enough (unfortunate that fear has to be the motivator) to actually "lift a finger" and examine this information and finally see how completely blind they've been.

The evidence for these things I speak about is usually (not always) easy to attain, yet many people are much too apathetic and way too full of their own opinion to ever visit a law library (as I have) or a government book depository (as I have) and put in the hours researching these issues (as I have). (Please know that I'm not boasting in any respect in saying "as I have". I'm simply letting you know that I've done my homework. I happen to love research.).

It's easy to have an opinion. It takes effort to know.

About Amalgams and Agenda 21

There is a little background you need in order to understand the basis for this statement I made that you don't seem to like.

• The U.N. runs the United States; Has legal authority over it. This is plainly documented in the U.S. Code. Anyone who does not know this knows nothing about the fundamental legal condition of this country.
• The U.N. is controlled by international bankers (founded, funded and controlled). This is also pretty easy to document, but does take a little work to put all the pieces together.
• The international bankers own and/or control well over 90% of all mass media in this country, including all of the major news networks (this is also pretty easy to document, but takes a little work).

Now, with this background, you can tie it together. Of course, in order to actuallly believe any of the statements above, you have to do an enormous amount of homework (although easy, it takes a lot of time), which I have done. Later, I will give you some places to start if you ever decide to do any homework on these issues yourself.

The agenda to reduce population originates with the "power brokers": The international banking families (Morgan of Morgan & Stanley, Rockefeller of Chase Manhattan, to name a couple). The U.N., having already gained legal sovereignty (by submission in contract) over all of the industrialized countries of the world including the United States, has encouraged, promoted, and enacted so-called legislation that works toward achieving this agenda of world population.

Through puppet organizations like the World Health Organization, The National Institutes of Science, The American Dental Association, and many others, and through massive promotion via the media that they own and control, they have successfully created a culture that smilingly accepts mercury in dental fillings, mercury in vaccines (along with a host of other well-known toxins), fluoride in water (fluoride is added to the drinking water of neary 50% of all major cities in the U.S.) and numerous other harmful ideas and policies that cause early death, chronic disease, lower I.Q.'s and cognitive thought/memory issues.

That is the connection between the U.N. and the promotion of amalgams in media and in the U.S. government.

Tom, you and I have very different world views, this is obvious. Let me encourage you to study. It will change your life and your eyes will be opened if you're willing to do a little work.

Here are some sources of information that are helpful in getting someone started in understanding the current condition of our government and the world:

• The Unseen Hand by A. Ralph Epperson
• The Creature from Jekyll Island: A Second Look at the Federal Reserve by G. Edward Griffin
• Vulture In Eagles Clothing by Lynn Meredith

This is a good start. Read these and you'll be a beginner.

Also, for your information:

• The fed will stop reporting on M3 in March of this year for the first time in decades (almost since it's inception). This is very serious for those who know what I'm speaking about. Expect the fed to start dumping large amounts of money into the money supply (actually, they've already started) and watch inflation creep up and up and up. http://www.federalreserve.gov/releases/h6/discm3.htm
• The U.S. will likely go to "war" with Iran shortly. (background) The U.S. declared "war" on Iraq shortly after it stopped basing the value of oil credits on the U.S. dollar. Iran just did this same thing. Buckle your seat belts kids.
• U.S. Public Law allows chemical testing and testing of "biologics" on unconsenting U.S. Citizens. http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/sh...&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

Here are a few additional resources that are useful for research:
http://theyrule.net
http://govwatch.net
http://www.govtrack.us/
http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Opinions are cheap. Knowledge is precious. Invest!

Yes, Russ, I have read twice now about how, when I was a newborn and my mother would put me outside to sleep in my carriage, the US government was using chemicals over our city (Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada) From what I have read, they dropped similar chemicals over US cities too. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

And, if there are some who are trying to deplete the population, and there are, what better way than to incorporate something into our bodies which will naturally cause our bodies to malfunction. We will not suspect, and we will put lots of money in their pockets on the way out as we go for tons of medical tests and take all their pharmaceuticals which do not heal, but cover symptoms for a time, meanwhile creating other symptoms for which we need other pharmaceuticals. 'And so on.
Russ, I have not done the amount of homework that you have been able to do, I am strapped for time. But I have done enough that I am VERY aware of what is going on. By the way, how do you know the difference between chem trails and the normal emissions of a plane? It sure looked suspicious over our little city a few weeks ago. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Also, Russ, the pharmaceutical companies contribute significantly to the campaigns of the Democats and Republicans - whichever party they feel will do them the most good. So, not wanting to lose this revenue, the gov't will do everything to protect the pharmaceutical companies. For an eye opener on this, read "Evidence of Harm" - can't remember the author right now. You can get it from the library. How has the pharmaceutical industry been able to put mercury into our teeth, and worse, into vaccines which are put into tiny newborns, when mercury has been proven, without a doubt, to be the most poisonous substance, except plutonium, known to man!? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> And they have not had to prove a thing about its supposed safety. Instead, the parents of autistic children have had to put out time, money and research to try to prove that their children were harmed by mercury. And, of course, the pharmaceutical companies have big money (our money) behind them to get them off the hook any time.

By the way, from what I have read, for those who (rightly) oppose abortion, vaccines now have fetal cells from aborted babies in them. Know anything about that, Russ? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

I've just gotto say that the above conspiricies sound absolutely bonkers to a European girl like me. I spend a lot of time on the net and stumble across similar theories now and again, and without fail they are written by an American. I'm not saying that you guys aren't right.....cos I have no idea.....but it makes me sad to think how politics might be treating you so that your minds are filled with so much worry and suspicious thoughts.

I frequently watch "60 minutes" and boy, are there many scoundrals amongst people in high, important positions in the US. To me these men (as they mostly are) seem inhuman, heartless and from another planet. They don't care what their actions do to ordinary people: it's all about profit and prestige.

Anyway, for an outsider such as myself I feel sorry that you must carry the burden of these suspicions. It also reminds me that I am very lucky to be able to trust 100% our politicians as, so far, no scandals have ever been uncovered (and believe me the press over here are always ready to "attack"...). For Americans' sake I hope things really aren't as bad as you portray.

Oh, I suddenly thought of something when re-reading your posts, which may help you guys so wanted to add this: I live in a very small country, and we need every person here to be in excellent health so able to contribute to a good working force and keep the finances stable. Increasing the amount of births are welcomed and encouraged. Here they keep track of population numbers, not because they are too high, but of fear that they are too low. When birth numbers are low certain years for whatever reason, the politicians and health officials are concerned and this concern is written about in the media.
BUT, we also have used amalgams as long as you. We have also used vaccines with mercury. We also add fluoride, chlorine, aluminum and tons of chemicals in our drinking water. We also pack our food products in aluminum foil. Small children are encouraged at school to take fluoride tablets to prevent dental caries. We also produce food which is filled up with dangerous additives. We also sell flurorcent bulbs and all the other mercury contained stuff listed on amalgam forums. But no-one is doing this to reduce our population numbers. It would be catastrophic to my country.

Ok, this thread definitely got me thinking, so I have to add yet another thing....

From what I understand, you guys think that mercury is a "we must reduce the population numbers" issue. So, I started thinking about Americans way of living in general and how you, yourselves could be mainly responsable for a lot of the ill health and early deaths.

Don't Americans' eat a very unhealthy diet....junk food, processed food, sodas, coffee? No government forces you to visit McDonalds or the unhealthy sections in the grocery store.

Don't Americans' use their cars ALL THE TIME instead of walking? No government forces you to grab the car keyes instead of your sneekers. It is a world known fact that Americans are obese because of lack of exercise and unhealthy diet. Your frequent use of cars also pollute the air you breathe.

Don't many Americans' smoke? No government forces you to choose that very first cigarette. The dangers are well known and have been for a very long time.

Don't Americans have a liberal attitude to alcohol? No government forces you to choose alcohol instead of bottled water.

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Russ,

As usual, you have posted ZERO evidence to support your claim. You really need to study logic Russ. I'm sure the vast majority of people can see your faulty, irrational reasoning that is typical of most conspiracy theories, but I'm sure there are some who are swayed by your emotional arguments and spooky sounding anecdotes.

You've talked alot, but you haven't said anything. Only the most naive and uninformed will mistake your post for actual evidence.

The bottom line is quite simple: you made a claim that the UN is conspiring to reduce the population by allowing amalgams to be placed into people's mouth, and you have posted ZERO evidence to support that claim.

It would take me all day to expound on the long list of fallacies contained within your post -- but let's start with the "appeal to authority" fallacy. I don't care if you're the president of the US with a 4.0 GPA from Harvard law school, if you have FACTS that support your claim, then post them. If not, I don't care what you've studied -- it's absolutely irrelevant.

Most weak arguments like yours resort to fallacious thinking -- this is a good exercise in how NOT to make an argument.

Please study some logic, Russ.

Russ's post is clear case of faulty reasoning - a good example of the Ignoratio Elenchi, or "irrelevant conclusion" fallacy -- see the following:

"Missing the Point

Description
A set of statements leads to conclusion X. Yet conclusion Y is drawn.

An argument is given from which a perfectly valid and sound conclusion may be drawn, yet the stated conclusion is something else.

Example
There has been an increase in burglary in the area. It must be because there are more people moving into the area.

The Chief Executive has a Law degree. We'd better make sure we're all above board.

You are hot and I am cold. You are wearing a brown coat. So let's go for a drink.

Discussion
Sometimes this fallacy is used by people who want to prove something but do not know how, so they use any argument and then tack their desired conclusion on to the end. This is something that politicians often do.

This is effective persuasion when the listener does not work through the logic of the argument and is persuaded simply by the fact that some kind of argument is being used (as opposed to the conclusion being given as a simple statement.

Missing the Point (or Ignorance of Refutation) is one of Aristotle's 13 fallacies.

Classification
Non-sequitur, Relevance

Also known as
Ignoratio Elenchi, Ignorance of Refutation, Irrelevant Conclusion

See also
Affirming the Consequent, Denying the Antecedent"

http://changingminds.org/disciplines/argument/fallacies/missing_point.htm

While we ideally shouldn't attribute EVERYTHING that is sick-making to a conspiracy, neither is it a good idea to say that there are no such things as conspiracies, either. There are, indeed. I am just sickened by US/Israel doings in the world. It is no laughing matter.

PS. I am not sure if there is some kind of group of bankers as described by you, Russ - I am waiting to be totally convinced. I regularly read Henry Makow's site www.savethemales.ca He goes on & on in a most persuasive manner - but I'm not there yet!

Anonymous, You are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! The junk food consumed in this country is totally stupid. So is cigarette smoking, and abuse of alcohol. These are things that we, as individuals can do something about, as many, like myself have done. What I am against, is the mandating of vaccines, amalgam, fluoride, etc. We do not have a choice except lately we can choose a holistic dentist.

Dallas,

You've said a lot, and thanks for your reply and for taking the time be become informed by reading and studying with the time you do have available. If all people would just take a little time each month and research, the world would be much different.

About your question relating to knowing whether or not planes are emitting chemicals or just creating condensation...

Condensation from jet engines (when I was a kid I wanted to design jet engines; I knew every U.S. military plane and every rocket's name and many specs about them; You know how kids are) dissipates usually within seconds. You'll see a trail of "smoke" behind the plane that goes away withing second and is no longer visible. This is a "contrail".

Chemtrails are composed of hard substances (probably barium, aluminum, titanium, etc) and is emitted through apparatus designed specifically for just this purpose. These trails don't dissipate the same way or in the same amount of time. The hang around a lot longer, often lose altitude—floating down toward the ground—and spead out often covering a large area, but sometimes retaining their shape. Nevertheless, they are very different in appearance then condensation trails.

I actually have video of both con- and chem- trails in my personal photo gallery:

http://russtanner.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=719

http://russtanner.com/gallery/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=762

Your comment about pharmaceuticals paying off government is very true. There is quite a relationship between the two and has been for some time. My brother—a vice and S.W.A.T. veteran—actually was in charge of guarding a meeting of senior George Bush and pharmaceutical executives in the lush Saddlebrook resort in Florida (not far from where I used to live) during the senior Bush presidency.

Thank you for your insightful comments.

Tom,

I have offered you resources so you can begin to learn about the things you have stated well-defined opinions about. It's up to you whether or not you decide to use them.

You're intelligent-sounding response has nothing to do with this conversation (ironically, your response qualifies as a "straw-man" argument) and it seems that you've copied and pasted some of your favorite "intelligent-sounding" phrases from some of these wonderful websites. Good job! (Next time use CTRL-C then CTRL-V. It's faster than using the mouse.) <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Now, if you're interested in really learning about the subject of our conversations, please, read one of the suggested books.

These books document the information I have given you (so you can then verify the sources for yourself). Unfortunately, I will not spend time spoon-feeding you the documentation and proofs on this forum because I'm well acquainted with the spoon-fed mentality and I would be doing you no favors. If you want to back up your opinions, you have to do some work. My friend; There are no shortcuts to having a verifiable opinion.

"A word to the wise is sufficient."

You're a valuable part of this forum, particularly pertaining to the mercury issue, however, these other statements you have made attempting to discredit my research will eventually discredit you, particularly to those who are "in the know". I don't want to see that happen. I'd rather see you do some research and benefit from the information you acquire. It's worth the time. Please invest!

With many of the new searchable online references that are available, you'll be amazed at how easy it is to verify much of this information. It's actually fun too.

"Fingers are for lifting."

Russ,

Lesson #1 - the person who makes the claim (in this case you) is responsible for supplying evidence to support that claim. The burden of proof is upon YOU, the person making the claim. You should know this.

Pasting a link to the Cornell Law web site does not constitute evidence for a UN conspiracy to kill us all with amalgams. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Lesson #2 - if you want to convince reasonable people that something is true, you can't just paste together a bunch of marginally related information and draw irrelevant conclusions from them (please do read up on the Ignoratio Elenchi fallacy). You have to establish a causal link between the information you presented, which you obviously have not done.

Lesson #3 - when you have an argument with a faulty foundation, don't dig yourself deeper by falling back upon these logical fallacies (please do read up on the "appeal to authority" fallacy). Step back and break the argument down.

Lesson #4 - you can't make a claim, then say "I am the expert, go read these books". That's not how it works in the world of logic. If your arguments were presented in a formal debate, you would be laughed at (not because the arguments themselves are outrageous, but because of your PRESENTATION of the information).

Bottom line: you have presented no evidence to support a link between the UN population control and the use of amalgam fillings.

Hint: I know you're a big fan of the straw man argument, so let me head this one off at the path -- I did not say there was no conspiracy, nor did I say conspiracies don't exist. Nor did I say anything other than the FACT that you have not supported your claim with any evidence.

Should you decide to back up your claim, I'd be more than willing to listen. So please tell me -- what is your evidence that the UN is plotting mass murder via dental fillings? Show me the money!
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Until then, you're just making another unsubstantiated claim.

Did someone claim that conspiracies don't exist?

My point in this case is not that Russ's conspiracy claim is false -- I really can't judge that. Rather, that Russ hasn't provided any evidence to back up his claim.

Until he does, it has to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Unfortunately, he only provided more opinions/beliefs to support his existing unsubstantiated opinions/beliefs.

It's basically just hearsay until proven otherwise.

Shoot, was logged off again. The anonymous above is moi.

All I will say is that those who believe in conspiracy theories would love "The X-Files" <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I'm just wondering what kind of evidence do you want from Russ?

Oh, no, not on this forum. I was just speaking generally. I find that so many people that I know and who I discuss anything with are either (A) 4-star conspiracy supporters (there's a Commie behind every bush); or (B) they are totally disbelieving that anything that's going on could possibly be part of a conspiracy. This latter bunch say there is no such thing as conspiracies.

Hey Tom,

In kindness and respect with humor...

You're quite a writer. Looks like you could write up your own set of federal laws, statutes and ordinances.



So many lessons, so many rules. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />



Wow! This is quite an assumption. Tom, you're simply out of context. Did you even read my post?

I have no obligation or desire to provide you with the information you want to prove or disprove these things in your mind. That is not my job. Please understand this. I'm simply sharing the information I've found through my extensive research and providing references where people can go and search them out for themselves. I am the watchman on the wall, not a tutor.

Also, I have not written these responses for your benefit (at least not specifically). I've been quite certain from the beginning how you would respond to these things all along. I've written them for those who are watching this conversation and who have the passion and concern to search them out for themselves. Whether or not this includes you is entirely up to you.

I've been in the know long enough to see many people who desire to have their homework done for them. They want all the facts laid out in a row for them to make their own 5-second judgement. It's not gonna' happen my friend.

Those I'm interested in communicating with are those who know better than to think they will find all the evidence they need about conspiracies on a forum. They won't. This is a subject that requires some work, some external resources and some time to put the pieces together.

Honestly, it's everyone's individual job to decide whether or not they want to put forth the effort to seek out the truth for themselves. All I can do is exactly what I've done, share my conclusions based on my meticiulous research; Be the watchman on the wall.

The rest is your job, my friend. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


P.S. (and Reminder): You're the one who drew the original conclusion on another thread—that "the Bible is ambiguous". In accordance with your own laws, statutes and ordinances, perhaps you could prove this for the class.

Oh, that's right. You already have. You said that because people have differing opinions on the Bible, this means the Bible is ambiguous.

Ahhhh... Nothing like solid conclusions based on evidence right the source. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />
(innocent sarcasm, no hurt intended).

Someone's hasn't been studying their lessons. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

This has been a great discussion so far!

Firstly, I'd like to back up some of Russ' statements because I feel a few of you may have done them a bit of injustice (although, conversely, it's always good to see an opposing side of any argument).

An anonymous poster had said the following.



It's not simply a matter of labelling one's perceptions as American vs. European. Mind you, I'm saying this as someone who lives and considers himself a European, for what it's worth, and I still side with the very likely probability of the above conspiracy theory. I'll agree there exists a tendency towards xenophobia within the U.S. For example, following the tsunami in Southeast Asia, AMERICAN news reporters were routinely asking the locals who they were blaming for this. I was completely beside myself. Who is at fault for a natural disaster!?! Americans seem all too eager to point the blame on someone, indeed America's entire infrastructure is based on blaming others; massive profit is obtained through simply pointing the finger and one wonders if its very economy would crumble if they ceased this practice.

On the other hand, conspiracy theories do exist, and their presence is a global one, not subject to the U.S. only. I think it's a safer practice to consider any and all conspiracies before writing them off as absurd paranoia. People were burned at the stake for believing the world is round, today people are ostracised for believing amalgam fillings are poisonous (which, I think we all agree here, they are).

The trouble with Russ' theories is not his method of debate, in my opinion, but the theories themselves. They're difficult to prove in a few simple words, it costs expounding on volumes worth of information to even give one a glimmering hint of this subject. I don't know if the UN is truly plotting to reduce human population with amalgam fillings, but I have no reason to believe otherwise, particularly given their corrupted violent and bloodthirsty history. I think a better question is, instead of proving how the UN is deliberately promoting amalgam for the sake of reducing population, how about proving that they're NOT. You have some well stated rebuttals, Tom, but just as you said Russ did not provide any backing evidence (which I think he actually did), I didn't see you proving any of your own; where was YOUR evidence to the contrary beside listing suggestions on how to debate (which is a separate subject)? In short, there is no simple answer and if you're hoping for one hyperlink or one quote to prove how the UN may be plotting to reduce population with amalgam, you can expect to be sorely disappointed. I'm sure it's possible to provide backing evidence right here on this forum, but it would be the size of a 300+ page novel and if Russ or anyone else is going to go that far, well, heck! they might as well write a novel instead!

Conspiracies theories do exist and many of them are very real. I wouldn't say I believe but, rather, I know that the U.S. led a bloodthirsty tour through Yugoslavia in 1999 using WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION, and it was done for monetary and territorial gain rather than the "humanitarian aid" it was claiming. And despite that I know this, I couldn't possibly begin to give you the evidence in one simple post (though I could certainly point you in the right direction if you wanted to unravel the dirty truth of it all).

I suppose what I'm getting at is, while I'm not saying I think Russ' theories are right, I'm definitely not saying they're wrong either. And when dealing with dirty terrorists like the United Nations, I think it's a far better practice to label them guilty until proven innocent, rather than the other way around.

egans' words in his first chapter was the reason I wrote that Americans themselves could be majorly responsable for the ill-health and deaths. My impression of Americans in general is that they hesitate to take responsability for their actions, but blame others......as always; the convenient way. I guess my impression became that Russ's theory began to sound as such.....

I think Russ has made some very hefty accusations as it's a normal thing to feel some level of TRUST in fellow human beings. If one differs from the norm, it's in my experince, usual to back this up. Merely recommending some links (again the convenient way) was a disappointment to me as I am more than willing to listen to someones different view of things.

And boys, leave the testosterone at home when it's discussion time.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

One should always be careful not to jump to conclusions by generalising. The fact that Americans have a propensity for xenophobia shouldn't lessen the likelihood of Russ' theories. I think they're actually quite plausible, particularly given (again) the UN's violent, murderous behavior. That's not paranoia, that's just a simple fact.

Fact: the UN has a hand in the slaughtering of innocent men, women, and children. This cannot be debated, it cannot be refuted. Anyone who says that's not true is simply lying to themself. That's like telling me 2 plus 2 does not equal 4.

Fact: NATO is responsible for more acts of terrorism than any furtive gang of masked desperados in 3rd world countries (Al Qaida, et al). Before you throw "9-11" at me, please do the math. How many died during "9-11"? How many died during Vietnam, or in South America, or in Yugoslavia, or in .. or in .. or in .. ? I'm sorry, no band of Muslim fundamentalists can compete with the violence of NATO.

Fact: The U.S. government has been responsible for more bloodshed than Nazi Germany. Again, do the math. How many died during the Jewish hollocaust? Now count how many died during the holocaust of the Native Americans? To use Tom's format, let me leave for you a Hint: there are more Jews remaining alive today than Native Americans. And that's just one U.S. led hollocaust among many.

And despite all this, you think that the UN would deliberatley promote the use of mercury amalgam fillings for the purpose of population reduction incredulous paranoia!?! Well I'm sorry, I stand by my original statement. Instead of proving how it's true, please prove to me how it's NOT true. I'm afraid history speaks for itself on this one, boys and girls. I wouldn't put it past the UN to be up to any number of shady underhanded deeds, the aforementioned conspiracy theory among them.


Is it? The same level of trust with all human beings? Even the ones who have a direct hand in murder and conquest? Look, authority should always be questioned to ensure intergrity, any authority that dislikes being questioned is making themselves appear suspicious. But you would simply ask me to "have faith" in mankind and my fellow human beings? Please pardon me for being blunt but, no thanks!


What were you hoping for, Anonymous Poster, an entire novel pasted into this forum? You're asking for evidence that is not as simple as answering in one or two sentances (nor paragraphs for that matter).



There's a difference between a heated debate and a flame. I haven't read anything in this thread which would deserve your remark about "testosterone"; on the contrary, I've found it a very interesting and enlightening discussion. People are allowed to disagree. It's not like anyone was using profanity.

An entire novel has already been written.....about who is the best discussion contender.....I prefer facts.......This thread has clearly become a male pride issue, so I think it's best to let you boys get on with the "dog fight" May the best one win...... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I happen to like the display of testosterone. It is what made America great, and it's the lack of it that we see now in the vast majority, fiddling while the nation burns.

I really do appreciate all the comments of Tom, Egan, Carla and everyone else. It's truly not a pride issue, at least not for me.

Perhaps the most respectable human attribute is humility. Without it, we don't learn, we don't grow, we make horrible decisions, we can do little more than animals. I say. "humility is the hinge on the gate of wisdom".

These kinds of discussions are very important, especially for the onlookers who are truly interested in learning how to find truth.

I'm not saying that these kinds of discussions will reveal all truth or that all that will be revealed is truth. I'm simply saying it will give people direction on where and how to find it.

What you're mistaking as pride is probably my attempt to be entertaining. Unfortunately, I think few would categorize me as an entertainer. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

Never cease seeking truth and you will find it.

Hi iamgine,

I would read that book from Hal Huggins, "I'ts All in Your Head". Some main stream dentists will no longer use amalgam and some think the dangers are all hype. A freind of mine at my job - a young guy who never had fillings before -- was about to go for his first dental fillings. I told him.--- make sure they dont put silver in your mouth!!

He told his dentist-and his dentist agreed with us-- and told him he doesnt use silver amalgam in his practice- because he can see why it could leak into a persons' body over time. He only uses composite.

This made me very happy hearing this-- that mainstream dentists are also researching this further themselves and choose not to use silver amalgam any longer.

I know one thing. I had 8 silver fillings in my mouth for over 20 years and after having the last of them removed this past May through September, I have had an improvement in symptoms. No more headaches, no more sinus issues, no more constantly getting colds or flus, no more wierd depression, no more yeast infections, no more Forgetfulness or a hard searching for words when I talk-- this is getting better weekly. I seem to have a larger vocabulary!

Things are looking up as I continue to chelate out old stored mercury. It is January now-- and I dont regret having my 8 metal fillings removed last May -September.

I believe in keeping an open mind. I dont discount conspiracy theories- because all I have to do is recall the ENRON scandal to see how people in high places don't exactly have our best interests at heart.

Wether or not you accept "conspiracy theories"-- it's never wise to place your entire faith in our government,drug and medical societies. As far as I'm concerned, even the drug companies are all about the $$.



We have to take responsiblity for our own health. Noone will do it for you--least of all pharmecuetical companies.

Im not saying never go to a doctor- but dont use a doctor as a baby sitter for yourself. Educate yourself on prevention so you can even give your doctor a break with his/her busy schedule.

Anyway- if there are Conspiracy threads on this forum made special for these types of posts. We should be talking about Mercury issues on this thread.

Thanks Russ for your patience-- i havent been on here for awhile, and today has been a rare chance. I really appreciate yours and Laura's work here as moderators for us-- This forum has been a great support for me on dealing with my own mercury issues.

God Bless ya!!

Boldylocks

Dallas
I am curious about your comments about chemicals in Winnipeg when you were growing up.
I was born there in 1946 and stayed for 30 years.
I was finally diagnosed as mercury poisoned by an ND in 2004 after I had spent over 5 years searching through mainstream medicine for the cause of my declining health.
My mouth had been full of mercury since I was 12 years old when a dentist in Fort Rouge drilled every one of my molars.
The research I have done the last year while I have been aggressively detoxing has astounded me. It seems that my Northern European/scandinavian ancestry,combined with the amalgam mercury plus the innumerable shots that we got as kids at school for polio, Tb and the like plus a diet high in seafood that I had from living on the West Coast all added up to a massive dose of heavy metals.
Many of my symptoms have greatly improved but I still have a long way to go.
I have working in my company many people between 50 and 60 who grew up in the prairies. It is astounding the variety of illnesses they have. Many multiple sclerosis symptoms and many thyroid disorders.
It is a shame that this metal toxicity issue has not yet been accepted by mainstream medicine.
During my search for what disease I had I went to Mayo clinic twice for extensive testing. I called them after I had my teeth redone. I asked them why they had never tested me for any metal poisoning. They replied to me that they questioned the validity of the diagnosis. Isn't that amazing!
Dallas- are you aware of any other Winnipeg connection to this?

AL

Thanks, I just ordered the book. Hopefully will arrive in a few days.

Wow, I didn't know mercury was so dangerous before. Just think, we can make someone very sick just by putting thermometer mercury in his drink. And it's readily available too.

The amalgam (i think it's amalgam because the color is gray) in my back teeth broke a few years ago. I went to my usual dentist and he put a new, white substance over it. What is this white substance? Is it safe?

Thanks

Alcan, I am not sure what you are looking for, but it is nice to find another Winnipeger. I was born July, 1953. My mom probably took DES, but no records available. I had all my shots, a fair number of fillings plus, three years, if I remember correctly, of allergy shots. I had braces as a teen. I was sick a lot when little, with unexplained mild afternoon fevers, unexplained enlarged lymph nodes, multiple rashes, allergies, extreme fatigue etc. As a teen, I had back problems, a severe case of mono, the noticeable beginnings of thyroid problems, MS symptoms -but never diagnosed with MS, etc. I came down with full blown Hashimoto's thyroiditis in my 20's and have had Celiac sprue for many years, but just diagnosed about 4 years ago. Five or so years ago, I was diagnosed with Grave's eye disease. Don't know what I can attribute all this to, but feel it is toxins, three of which are dental amalgams and immunnizations and allergy shots. Of course, another is the chemicals they dropped on us and possibly all the planes overhead. However, Winterpeg had tons of mosquitoes and extremely cold winters, - so maybe I should blame it all on that. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Oh yeah, Alcan, Are you aware of all the people in Wpg. who are suffering with Alzheimer's disease. That place must be the Alzheimer's capital of North America!! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif" alt="" />

This is a good exercise in understanding the difference between having alot of information and using reason and logic to draw appropriate conclusions. You can read every book on the planet on a particular subject and STILL draw irrelevant conclusions from that information, like you have most likely done.

It's not just having information that makes one intelligent or informed or an "expert" -- it's how that information is interpreted and used. What one does with the information gathered ultimately depends on the person doing the gathering.

For example, you might purchase a set of binoculars and take in every sight that is available to you, but what ultimately gets seen on the other end depends on the state of the instrument. If your instrument is dirty or imprecise, what you end up seeing is not a beautiful landscape, but something tainted or skewed.

You have to work on having a functional, stable instrument before you can "see".

All of the information in the world is useless unless one is capable of processing that information carefully and precisely and objectively, without projecting one's pre-existing beliefs, dogmas, or ideologies onto that information. If one is already convinced the world is out to get her, it's not difficult to locate information that could be interpreted to support that pre-existing belief. In essence, *everything* can be interpreted as evidence to support a particular viewpoint when one has already made up their mind.

People who are victimized in some way or who experience traumatic events often times come to the wrong conclusions about the world, based on their individual, subjective experiences -- they project them onto the world, thinking that if the world is a dangerous place for them, it must be for everybody. It's totally understandable. We're all largely a result of our environmental influences, and these events shape our attitudes about the world, but often times this leads to a distorted view.

It's not a matter of getting a new pair of binoculars -- it's a matter cleaning off the existing ones.

No comment on this particular discussion as I don't know anything either way (except that I do think there is some degree of cover-up going on with the amalgams based on my experience of trying to get answers) but I agree with you Tom that sometimes our view of the world and other things is distorted for some reason (prejudice, experience, fear, narrow mindedness, selfishness). I think this applies to all of us, though, in some way, in some situation. I doubt there is a truly objective person alive.

In other words, anyone who doesn't believe what Russ believes about this grand UN conspiracy to kill people with dental fillings is either lying or just not informed.

Nice, Russ. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Typically people who come out and make such grand accusations have *some* kind of evidence to back it up. Evidence and logic are what separates a reasonable argument from the thousands of people spouting opinions on the internet.

You have taken alot of information that sounds awfully spooky (even all of your premises are not established to be true) and lumped it all together to form a totally irrelevant conclusion.

Total non-sequitirs.

Your post should be used as an exercise in a university course on logic -- it could be entitled "find the fallacies". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

You seem pretty bright Russ, but you should work on the forms of your arguments if you want *reasonable* people to believe them.

p.s. don't take that personally -- take it as an opportunity to learn something.

Hi iamgine!

That white stuff is the composite filling. Hopefully the dentist Removed the old amalgam out before adding in the new composite in your teeth. If not- then you can always go back to another dentist and tell them the tooth is bothering you and you'd like if they could drill back out , clean up and refill with fresh composite.



I asked my dentist to make sure he got it as clean as a whistle before adding in the good stuff!

My particular dentist doesnt like amalgam for other reasons than the mercury danger. He is one of the mainstream dentists that still think hardened mercury is safe enough.

Still - I told him to humour me even if he thinks im crazy. He laughed and was a good sport about it- and actually went out of his way to do all the correct protocol-- like use a Rubber dam, high speed suction, etc.-- he even let me use my own Chelate mouthwash instead of the blue Scope stuff they make you rinse with.

He hates amalgam because he said that in his father's and his years of practice, he has noticed that it made more work for them. They noticed that the silver amalgam kept cracking the people's molars over time and they would then need more extensive teeth work to repair crumbled teeth . They knew it was because of the silver amalgam.

He says he has enough business and doesnt need to be overwhelmed with restoring work that was caused by something he installed before.

The white composite my dentist used on me was a porcelain/plastic mix and so far has held up very darned good! I havent had any allergic reactions to it at all either.

They say that Diamonlite is the best composite to have -- it is sturdy and tested very well for compatibility in people.

You will notice that your teeth may be sensitive for a few weeks to hot or cold. I noticed that - but it went away very quickly- back to normal.

Depending on how deep the filling is- the sensitivity doesnt last that long.

One more good thing I noticed about no longer having metal in my mouth-- food tastes better and i dont have that metalllc taste in my mouth anymore.

Hey Tom,

I'm really sorry but based on your response, I don't really think you're understanding what I'm saying.

(As I said in my previous post) I don't normally take the time to provide complete proofs on forums for conspiracy theories. I only report what I've found and point people to the references they can use to make their own determination.

Here's an example, between the three dashes (---):
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Tonight I re-watched a (video) lecture (along with some of my employees) that I hosted in the mid 90's featuring the Chairman of the Florida Division of the U.S. Taxpayer's Party (now The Constitution Party).

In this lecture, the speaker displays government documents including several congressional reports, parts of the U.S. code, and other documents from the Florida archive that clearly explain that the United States has been in a perpetual state of emergency since the 30's. This emergency was declared by the president at that time and by two (one twice) subsequent ones and it confers powers to the president that completely subvert the separation of powers in a big way.

A congressional report plainly explains this in a way that anyone can understand. This act (as it was called) was eventually used to transfer the gold of the United States government to beneficiaries in foreign countries; An act which would have been illegal without this legal/political maneuvering. This is simple, clear and the pieces are very easy to put together. This is also very important and has huge implications for everyone who is a U.S. Citizen.

OK, Here is the heart of my example to you.

Unfortunately, I'm not taking the time to search for the congressional report number for you because you're really not interested in whether it's true or not. I know this because I know a lot about human nature and I quickly detected this in your early posts.

I know that those who are truly interested in this information (as everyone should be because it has intimate and far-reaching consequences for each of our lives) will contact me or post questions, honestly and sincerely. For those who are interested enough to go through that small amount of trouble, I will nearly always look up information for them and get them the data they need to draw their own conclusions because I know they are sincere in their interest.

That's all there is to it.
---

For your sake, I'll say this again, with honesty and sincerity:

I'm right about all the things I've said in my posts because I have a deep sense of responsibility toward people. I've done my homework as few have (if any) that you will ever meet.

As I also have a responsibility toward you, I need to sincerely warn you: If you stay on the same course and neglect to study or read a book or look up a congressional report, you will be shocked and awed at some point in the future when you look back and realize that some guy on a forum was right and had you listened, it could have saved your finances, your country or your life.

Please, use the links I gave you in previous messages and do some study. Do this for your own benefit and for the benefit of your family and friends who will most certainly benefit from this applied ambition, should you choose to posses it.


Video

P.S.: I came across this video that embodies what so-called patriots become when they don't do their homework. Scenario: Several brave truth-seekers are in a parade educating onlookers about issues related to 9-11 aparrently at their own expense when a few "patriotic" Americans decide to express their opinions. This video is a shining expose of people who don't care enough to become educated about real issues, yet still call themselves patriots. Remember:

"Despots love ignorance".

American Ignorance In Action


On Another Note

I'm always entertained yet saddened when accusations fly from unstudied people. A favorite unstudied chant is to slander the studied by calling them names to defame their character. Ironically, the accuser is usually the truly guilty. Favorites are often related to fear:

• Homophobic: Used against those opposed to homosexuality. Actually, it takes great courage to stand up for morality against mainstream propaganda.
• Paraniod: Used against conspiratorialists. Actually, it takes a little patience, some intelligence and, of course, courage to stand up for truth, no matter how unlikely it feels to the emotionally-based.

Bonus

Here is an ounce of wisdom that is a perfect example of the truly paranoid (and/or lazy, which is often an attribute of fear or mercury toxicity) calling the educated names that would be better associated with the accuser:

A Byte of Wisdom.


Super -Mega Bonus



Thomas knows about conspiracies.


Super -Ultra -Mega Bonus

Read the Declaration of Independence and you'll find a long, itemized list of crimes conspired against the people by the government of that time. The studied eye will recoginize the truly-striking similarities to todays conspiracies...

...let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Watched your video, "American Ignorance in Action". I don't know if it's my computer or what, but it didn't flow right between the sound and the video. Doesn't matter...I heard enough to get the drift: most folks are more threatened by the idea of someone challenging received wisdom, than they are in their actual message! They are strangely threatened by someone having the courage to speak their piece, right or wrong - maybe because they don't have the guts to do it themselves.

Here in Canada, it is much, much worse. There is no First Amendment here like you have. Look sideways at a "minority" and you will find yourself in front of something called a Human Rights Tribunal (kangaroo court) where you are not allowed to defend yourself.

We have something called the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, which is supposed to ensure "equality". Well, if the person challenging the Charter is a visible minority (vizmin), the ruling is in their favour. If you are a white, middle class Christian businessman, forget it - the Charter is then deemed to be a tool to give previously-mistreated minorities a leg up. So, one cannot win in this country.

You, or somebody there, went to a lot of trouble to come up with that relatively ancient document about the US being in a perpetual state of emergency since the 1930s!

The way I see it, documents are paper, and that's all. The philosophy they were based on can no longer exist in modern society, because we have been too dumbed down to care. There is a way around the most noble document if you are evil enough. For a cure, I say, start with the individual and his/her health. When you are cleaned out and well nourished, there is a better chance you can see clearly.

As to 9-11 conspirary theories, I am having a hard time with those, because Osama Bin Laden owned up to it.

And, everyone, remember - animals value their lives and comforts also.

Hey Carla,

Thanks for the reply.

I agree about people being too dumbed-down to care. Incidently, I have found studies that say mercury causes people to be more fearful of authority, controllable and subservient (to the best of my memory, those are the words the studies actually used). Interesting, and there's a lot more I could say but I only have a couple minutes.

As for 9-11, I felt the same way as you for quite a while until I really started to read up on it and when my employee, who was in the military watching foreign news at the time saw a report that Bin Laden had been captured. I don't know what the truth is about Bin Laden, but I know that buildings don't fall like that and a steel building has never fallen from a fire in recorded history.

"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"

—James Madison, 4th President of the united States

There have now been several studies released by very qualified individuals who have categorically stated that the twin towers could not possibly have fallen because of heat from the fire. According to them, it is not physically possible. Plus, you need to see the video on building 7 and the PBS show featuring the lease-holder of the buildings saying that they decided to "pull it", referring to building 7 (As I understand it, "pull-it" is a term meaning to use demolition to destroy something).

There are amazing videos and resources on this subject that demand a real investigation.

Here are some links you may enjoy exploring:

http://www.911review.com/attack/wtc/b7.html

http://www.reopen911.org/

http://www.911busters.com/

http://www.911wasalie.com/phpwebsite/

http://thewebfairy.com/911/7/

http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/attack/wtc7.html

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wtc7.html

-pull it
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/january2006/050106silversteinanswers.htm

http://thewebfairy.com/911/pentagon/

http://www.bedoper.com/eastman/

There are many more. Just search google.

Carla, good to hear from a fellow Canadian -though you reminded me of the actual state of that country and made me glad to be in the States.
Osama Bin Laden hates the west, and would gladly take the credit for any destruction over here. It would make him look good to his followers.
Russ, I can't remember, but isn't there some kind of connection between Bin Laden and the Bush family? Or am I totally out to lunch on this?
And, though I prefer to live in the States rather than my home country, the States is not my cup of tea either. Freedoms are quickly going down the tubes. Does anyone know of a little island somewhere........... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

I don't know if there is a Laden-Bush connection. I've heard several things about this, but haven't taken the time to search it out.

The Bush family does, however, have a very interesting background and history. It's documented all over the Internet so try a google search and have fun.

I'd give you some links now but time has gotten away from me and I've got to go. Take care and good luck.

I took allergy shots for many years. Is thimerosal (mercury) used in allergy shots?

I'm not an architect or an engineer but I remember on 9/11 how surprised I was that the WTC towers fell. It just didn't seem like running planes into the towers, even big ones like 767's, could have brought down such massive structures. I read that the towers were designed to withstand the impact of a 707 which is just about the same size as a 767.

Dream on, friend...dream on! Maybe there are such islands, but I suspect they are populated with billionaires' "cottages"; sometimes you can see these in Architectural Digest or such other fancy magazines. There'd be no room left for the likes of us, I don't think.

Regarding the mosquitos - you may not be far off the mark...I am in Manitoba and in the 1970s they used to spray malathion over the city of Winnipeg with an aircraft. They now, cleverly, spray during the middle of the night with trucks going down the street. There are some little riots and protests over this, but they keep on doing it. It is true that Winnipeg seems to be the centre for multiple sclerosis. In an attempt to figure it out, some people have proposed that it is not REALLY M.S., it is a bacterial/fungal (?) disease "caused" by falling from Canada geese flying overhead in large numbers during migration. I mean, really!

Well, Winnipeg is sure one TOXIC city, by the sounds of it. There is a fella who I grew up with, just down the street from me, who has both MS and Parkinson's.

I lived in New Port Richey, Florida most of my life and they have a fleet of "Mosquito Patrol" trucks that go up and down residential streets every night spraying stuff into the air. After they pass by, you cannot go outside and breath the air for 30 minutes or so because it feels like crud collecting in your throat and burns your sinuses.

Incidently, I met one of the guys who used to drive one of the trucks and his friend who also drove one was standing on top of a truck one night, checking the valves or something and sprayed some of the chemical into his face by accident. This guy spent the next 3 days in a hospital bed while his organs deteoriated and he bled to death from the inside out. My friend promptly quit.

There were some people in the Moon Lake area that would shoot at the truck when it came by and so they stopped spraying there.

Just to add more fuel to the fire I wanted to throw a few more thoughts out there.

Even if a conspiracy theory is wrong, belief and the pursuit of any and all conspiracy theories ought to be encouraged. Otherwise, who will be there to take action when a real one exists? In these dying days where notions such as revolution and noncooperation have become things of the past, apathy has sadly become the norm.

But as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. -- who would be arrested today as a terrorist under the so-called "Patriot Act" -- once said:


I think the bigger problem with issues such as amalgam fillings, pharmaceutical companies, et al is not the governments so much as the corporations which own them (primarily in the corporatist, tyrannical land of the unfree, the U.S. empire).

On that note, here's some more food for thought. I just love quotes <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />.



-- Franklin D. Roosevelt


-- Thomas Jefferson to Horatio Gates Spafford, 17 Mar. 1817, cited in Papers 14:221 (1).


--President Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837 (2).


-- Muad'Dib

Oh, that was yours truly.

Forgot to login!

That's a good quote from BC.

The bottom line is this:

Anyone who does not believe in "conspiracy theories" simply has not studied them. It's that simple.

There is so much plain evidence which is easy to gather which supports many of the leading conspiracy theories that I consider denial of conspiracy theories similar to the media slander of herbs and the media support of mercury in vaccines and amalgams.

The only people who don't understand (are ignorant of) the corruption (i.e. conspiracies are corruption by more than one person) are those who haven't lifted a finger to study them. Again, it's that simple.

A challenge for the uninformed...

Starting with the IRS, just look at Eisner vs. Macomber and how it defines the term "Income".

Look at the U.S. code to see if title 26 (the IRS code) was ever actually passed into law.

Look at TDO (Treasury Document of Authority Order) 13 and see if congress ever actually gave the treasury department authority to collect income tax.

Look at the passage of the 16th amendment and see if it was actually ever properly passed into law. (see the book entitled "The Law That Never Was")

See the official court interpretation of the 16th amendment and see if it lines up with what mainstream media says.

See if you can determine if the website anti-herb, anti-health liars at quackwatch is funded by pharmaceutical companies and is run by a corrupt sociopath.

See if you can find who many directors at medical universities have second jobs as "consultants" to pharmaceutical companies and get paid 6-digits by big pharma to fly to Figi each year for an all-expense-paid ...ummm... "seminar".

See if you can find the 2 patent numbers that feed the ADA (American Dental Association) tens of millions of dollars each year for the manufacture of amalgam fillings.

See if you can watch building 7 collapse and listen to the leaseholder of the world trade center say they decided to "pull it" on PBS and determine what the words "pull it" really mean.

See if you can find any remnants whatsoever of a 60-ton 757 in the photos of the pentagon event on 9-11.

See if you can find science that supports the idea that jet fuel burning at a temperature much lower than the temperature at which steel melts could bring down a steel building.

See if you can find a record in history where a steel building ever collapsed from fire: ever!

See if you can find the videos of NY firefighters speaking about the timed, tightly and evenly-spaced explosions they heard in the lower floors of the WTC while the upper floors where just beginning to collapse.

See if you can find science supporting the idea that a fertilizer bomb exerts enough pressure to destroy part of a building from the specified distance in the Oklahoma City bombing.

See if you can find the book the governor's son wrote that foretold in almost perfect accuracy what the official story of the O.C. bombing told.

See if you can determine why ATF agents and workers were anonymously told not to come into work the day the O.K. bombing took place.

See if you can determine how local newscasters broadcast that 3 unexploded military-style bombs were found by local agents and how this story dissappeared except from those who have video of the newscasts.

This is a very small sample of what apathy has done to America. We know there is evil in the world. The job of the people is to make sure it never fluorishes. If it does, we have no one to blame but those who remain motionless in the fight to keep corruption and corrupt people from attaining positions of power.

Whenever you say "they should do something", remember this:

"We are they."


Heaven is not for cowards. (Rev 21:8)

Money! Amaglams cost a $1.00, composites way more. And if the ADA were to admit that this stuff makes people sick, can you imagine the flood of lawsuits? There would be mass chaos in America. People trust way to easily. They beleive the ADA is a "god-like" organizatin put there to protect them. IN fact, it is a club of dentist who happen to agree on the same way of practicing dentistry. Many Americans are generally blind. They take everything at face value and question nothing. Shame really. Doctors in the 1890's were diagnosing illness from amalgam. They were familiar with poisoning and its symptoms. Physicians today are trained to treat the symptoms, not find the cause. And most doctors think that dental problems belong to dentists, and dentist think that illness other than the teeth belongs to doctors.
I think instead of paying them when we get sick. We should pay them to keep us health. If you got sick, you would stop paying until they go you well. HOW IS THAT FOR MOTIVATION!

Right on, MMM !!!

MMM,

I can't believe you said that about paying only when you're well. That's a great idea and I proposed this exact plan about 10 years ago.

You contract with a doctor or hospital, pay a fixed monthly fee (basically, "insurance"), then when you get sick, the payments stop until you're well again.

This is a great idea and it's great to see that you thought of it as well! Excellent job. It is a great motivator.

A chiropractor who has a website promoting healthy lifestyles recently published a revolting little "joke" morality tale about how doctors in hospitals should, on a regular basis, take the most decrepit, degenerated, dependent, sickly old patient and execute him in the yard for all the other patients to see - to frighten all the other patients into taking care of their own health instead of "depending" on doctors!

Such arrogance! Blaming sick people for being sick when they don't even understand why they are sick. So make an example of them by shooting them at dawn.

So, I suggested a system such as MMM and you proposed, or at least a variation thereof. They didn't like that, so they cut me off. The chiro and his supporters just couldn't grasp why I found their little fable so offensive.

That is appalling! Like my primary doctor who has sent me to numerous specialist because he has no clue what is wrong with me. Even reads my abnormal blood work and scratches his head. After ten years of testing everything and finding nothing. I asked to be tested for "heavy metal" and he wanted to know why. So I cautiously proceeded to explain the I display all the symptoms for it and have this metal in my head. He said and I quote " You are a young healthy female and you body can handle that" WHAT? I have not been back to see him since, because I realized he is an imbecile.

That is an excellent idea about paying doctors to keep us well! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I got no answers from my doctors either. Been going to see various ones since I was 16 saying something was wrong and maybe something I was exposed to was making me sick. 14 years later I was still saying the same thing with no real answers or help on their part.

My experience has been the same. They usually blame it on being a female and having hormones or that I must be depressed or psychosomatic. I have decided to help myself because they are not going to help me. Take you health into your own hands. After all, we pay them. So let's pay someone else! Someone who believes you and recognizes you ailment.

I agree. I can't afford to pay for a doctor to treat me so am doing it myself, but I chose a dentist that recognises the problem to replace the fillings etc <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Same here. My insurance is public and covers anything that is not good for you. (radiation, prescriptions, etc).
I have found a dentist and am using every dollar I can scratch to get there and financing the rest. I figure we all die in debt anyway, might as well live longer first. People don't hesitate to take out a five year $25,000 car loan, but they can't justify a few thousand for their health!

mmm,

You're so right. There is no place to get a replacement body while were here so we better treat this one right.

I agree. I am putting my dental costs on credit. I think it's so important to get the right dentist for the job who uses all precautions etc. And I've had the biocompatible test etc. I'm hoping the detox is something I can manage myself.

Maybe the buildings did'nt fall because of the fire. Maybe they fell because huge sections were destroyed by the planes destablizing them.

So the leaseholder ,Silverstein, ordered that the building be blown up? Why would he admit that on TV? Who is it he ordered to blow it up and why would they take orders from him?How long did it take them to get the explosives ,place them,and detnate them?-5 maybe 10 min?
So the Arabs did'nt do it,it was Silverstein and other jews? Are you Mel Gibson?

I guess the UN likes black people in Africa because in many African nations the incidence of fillings in 21 yr olds is 0%.
Actually, there is no international law since there is no enforcement power on an international level. The highest court is the US Supreme court.

It's not difficult to prove that people are exposed to toxic levels of mercury from their fillings.The EPA ,OSHA and others state that 10 microgms/day is toxic.Machines that measure mercury vapor show that people with amalgam emit toxic levels of mercury vapor.
While mercury decreases white blood cells and decreases immunity,immunity has nothing to do with ability to excrete hg


mercury decreases white blood cells and reduces immunity,

I have no idea what the point you are trying to make here is.
Please explain more,just so i don't assume.

If you have a mouth full of fillings, you are exposed to far more hg than you get in a vaccine and you are exposed to it 365 days/yr.

I was responding to the people who claim the UN is trying to reduce the population by poisoning us with hg .

Ok no problem,i was a bit confused by the post.

Response to Jill (Anonymous) about 9/11...

The U.S. Government has been lying for a long time. There is, in fact, a long history of lies and coverups. I have been studying these things for a long time and it's not hard to find, nevertheless, they depend a public not being able to believe it or too afraid to believe it.

I realize that when you first begin to look at a coverup, it raises more questions than it answers. This is because when a coverup is executed, there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that is offered by the ptb (powers that be) via the mm (mainstream media) and this so-called evidence is simply assumed to be true by the trusting public.

However, when you begin to look into this "evidence" that is assumed to be true, you find that it isn't. This "supporting evidence" is offered as part of the very skilled deception by evil men in high places, and history is replete with them. These are skilled liars that go to great lengths to lie. You have to remember that for them, to be caught would be death because they would be executed for crimes against humanity.

The most evidential place to see these deceptions in action are to study law (which I have, independently). Here, you can see the manipulations in action because "law" allows them—when properly manipulated—to get away with anything they want.

For example:

Spraying Chemicals and Biologics On U.S. Citizens Is Perfectly Legal

A study of law makes it clear how people and the judiciary are manipulated by the ptb.

Videos now posted on the Internet can help people see the contradictions that surface when these things are looked into. They are not hard to find, and in fact, often contradict logic itself. This is because the ptb are arrogant and not concerned with intellects. They just need to fool the masses to control a democracy.

I recommend that people watch these videos from beginning to end:

Loose Change
This video is, as of today, the most popular video on Google Video; perhaps the most popular video on the Internet.

Oklahoma City Bombing
Pay particular attention to the newscasts that talk about several bombs being removed from the building after the blast.


Concerning the statements about the U.N. trying to use hg to reduce population...

The use of mercury in medicine serves several purposes of the ptb. They make money on it's use coming and going and they achieve their agendas. Concerning population control; I would investigate the U.N. Agenda 21 carefully and listen to their own statements about population control. It takes a while to put the pieces together.

Agenda 21 Lecture
It's a long lecture but pay careful attention to the way these agendas are eventually enforced via "law".

It's important to understand that these videos are not the reasons why people who have studied these subjects believe the things they do. These videos are simply useful introductions for those who have not put the pieces together yet.




That's anecdotal, assumptive, and seemingly a little sarcastic. This is indeed a serious subject that requires study. I sincerely hope you take the time to check out the history of mercury use in the U.S.



Simply not true. A small amount of research will reveal the error in this statement.

Additionally, the U.S. signed treaties in the mid 90s resigning sovereignty to the U.N. (the author of Agenda 21, by the way). Sadly, few Americans are aware of the fact that the U.N. has the "legal" right to overrule any federal, state, city, or county law, ordinance or statute.

I think alot of has to do with; there would be people that would have to admit that they have been wrong and have been poisoning and killing people for all these years ...
fillings/shots

If all these people (government and doctors and businesses etc ...) can slowly get out from under this then it will slowly go away from them and they wont really be to blame (at least in their eyes).
Especially if as they are slowly removing it from use; there is all these studies and doctors and businesses still saying that it is safe. So by the time the truth comes out; there wont be anyone left holding the bag.

I graduated one of the top law schools in the country.
I also went to medical school.I also graduated UC Berkeley with honors.