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We have encountered claims that Darwin's habit of stating objections to his proposal in his books is merely a result of "Victorian literary style". If memory serves, even AiG repeats this. When he came to review Origin of Species in 1859, Huxley identified this same method of forming sound beliefs as characteristic of Darwin: "so outspoken [is] his conviction, so honest and fair the candid expression of his doubts." Huxley urged that Darwin's readers adopt the same frame of mind: a state of "doubt which so loves truth that it neither dares rest in doubting, nor extinguish itself by unjustified belief."
In support of his claim, Huxley referred to the many passages in Origin in which Darwin raised objections to his own theory, or discussed the limits of scientific knowledge on particular questions. One can indeed find numerous examples of this in Darwin's publications: his devotion of a whole chapter in Origin to the difficulties of the theory of descent; his mode of assembling evidence favourable and unfavourable, circling around a position from all sides for dozens of pages, as in his writing on hybrid sterility in Variation in animals and plants under domestication (1868); or on the origin of human races in Descent of man (1871). Photograph of Alfred Russel Wallace
Magnifying glass icon. Alfred Russel Wallace
Some leading Darwinians found this approach frustrating. Alfred Russel Wallace repeatedly urged Darwin to place more emphasis on the facts favourable to natural selection, and worried that Darwin gave leverage to his critics by calling attention to the difficulties of his theory. Indeed, Huxley's own style of debate, often aggressive and confrontational, hardly followed the Darwin role model. I find it noteworthy that his contemporaries do not attribute these features of his writing to style. It seems odd that fellow Victorians would be so utterly unaware of a "common literary style". Source Considering Darwin's advice to his son (in the preceding post), I think it is fair and prudent to conclude he firmly believed in the "soft sell" approach, and practiced it.
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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Tut-tut
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The Anti-religious
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Early cosmic evolution
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Dead air
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What, not who.
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Far afield
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 03:01 PM
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A better approach
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 08:00 PM
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To the subject
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LinearAq
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Racism and Darwin
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RN still unconnected
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04/03/08 04:45 AM
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A nutshell
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Re: A nutshell
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Re: A nutshell (very apt!!)
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04/03/08 09:58 PM
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Re: A nutshell (very apt!!)
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04/04/08 12:25 AM
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Another American
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CTD
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CTD
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Pwcca
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04/04/08 06:43 PM
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Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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CTD
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04/11/08 09:24 PM
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China, Master of the Universe
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SoSick
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04/12/08 03:27 PM
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Re: Antihistorians in action
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SoSick
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04/13/08 09:52 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 05:59 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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SoSick
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04/02/08 06:02 PM
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Re: RN still unconnected
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CTD
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04/02/08 06:52 PM
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T.H.Huxley
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SoSick
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04/03/08 04:22 AM
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CTD
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04/02/08 05:16 PM
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Huxley to Lankester to Marx
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CTD
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06/07/08 05:11 AM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:31 PM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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Kitsune
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04/02/08 11:19 AM
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Re: Racism and Darwin
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LinearAq
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04/02/08 12:29 PM
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Re: To the subject
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SoSick
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04/01/08 09:25 PM
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Re: Far afield
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CTD
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06/24/08 05:24 AM
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Re: Far afield
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Russ
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07/10/08 11:02 PM
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Karl Pearson
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CTD
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04/27/08 08:13 AM
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Re: Far afield
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LinearAq
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05/07/08 08:39 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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passw0rd
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04/14/08 07:31 AM
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passw0rd
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04/14/08 07:42 AM
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SoSick
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04/01/08 01:43 PM
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Another branch
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04/01/08 02:58 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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Kitsune
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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SoSick
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04/01/08 07:05 PM
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Kitsune
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04/01/08 07:30 PM
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Congratulation!!!!
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LinearAq
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03/28/08 03:07 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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04/27/08 01:35 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/27/08 09:03 PM
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CTD
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04/27/08 11:04 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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Bex
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04/27/08 11:22 PM
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CTD
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04/28/08 01:00 AM
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SoSick
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04/28/08 01:17 AM
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Bex
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04/28/08 01:18 AM
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D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 04:30 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 05:00 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Bex
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Re: D to the Dick
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SoSick
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04/28/08 06:07 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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CTD
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04/28/08 06:40 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Kitsune
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04/28/08 09:53 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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Bex
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04/28/08 10:31 AM
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These people and their machinations!
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CTD
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04/28/08 09:56 AM
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Re: D to the Dick
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CTD
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04/28/08 05:46 AM
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More Open Conspiracy Evidence
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CTD
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05/07/08 06:28 PM
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Re: More Open Conspiracy Evidence
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Kitsune
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05/07/08 07:51 PM
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Ice Age Players
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CTD
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05/10/08 02:30 PM
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Re: Ice Age Players
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CTD
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05/10/08 03:12 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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03/27/08 07:56 AM
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Denial & Follow-up
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CTD
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03/28/08 06:09 PM
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Re: Denial & Follow-up
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Kitsune
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03/28/08 07:30 PM
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A mild surprise
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CTD
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01/22/09 02:18 AM
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Fatherly Advice
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CTD
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04/03/09 09:27 PM
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Re: Fatherly Advice
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CTD
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04/04/09 12:07 AM
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Re: A mild surprise
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CTD
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04/04/09 12:27 PM
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Re: A mild surprise
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CTD
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04/05/09 02:54 AM
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X Club may still be around
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CTD
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04/16/09 06:01 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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10/29/09 01:07 PM
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Re: Open Conspiracy
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CTD
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