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Chapter 28 is where the double-standard becomes obvious: For this reason non-rigid reference-bodies are used, which are as a whole not only moving in any way whatsoever, but which also suffer alterations in form ad lib. during their motion. Clocks, for which the law of motion is of any kind, however irregular, serve for the definition of time. We have to imagine each of these clocks fixed at a point on the non-rigid reference-body. These clocks satisfy only the one condition, that the "readings" which are observed simultaneously on adjacent clocks (in space) differ from each other by an indefinitely small amount. This non-rigid reference-body, which might appropriately be termed a "reference-mollusc", is in the main equivalent to a Gaussian four-dimensional co-ordinate system chosen arbitrarily. He has proposed his system for "General Relativity", and he explains that one can use it provided one is satisfied with results that are "close enough for government work". (Did you catch the simultaneous reading of two clocks?) Recall that his objections to classical methods are merely complaints that infinite precision cannot be practically obtained. Hardly newsworthy. The system he advocates doesn't offer infinite precision either, so the problem isn't solved in any way. One of the the primary differences is that one becomes committed to imprecision under the new system, whereas under the old system the imprecision was a by-product of instruments and methods. Doubt this? Check out a fuller context, and pay attention to the last sentence. For this reason non-rigid reference-bodies are used, which are as a whole not only moving in any way whatsoever, but which also suffer alterations in form ad lib. during their motion. Clocks, for which the law of motion is of any kind, however irregular, serve for the definition of time. We have to imagine each of these clocks fixed at a point on the non-rigid reference-body. These clocks satisfy only the one condition, that the "readings" which are observed simultaneously on adjacent clocks (in space) differ from each other by an indefinitely small amount. This non-rigid reference-body, which might appropriately be termed a "reference-mollusc", is in the main equivalent to a Gaussian four-dimensional co-ordinate system chosen arbitrarily. That which gives the "mollusc" a certain comprehensibility as compared with the Gauss co-ordinate system is the (really unjustified) formal retention of the separate existence of the space co-ordinates as opposed to the time co-ordinate. Every point on the mollusc is treated as a space-point, and every material point which is at rest relatively to it as at rest, so long as the mollusc is considered as reference-body. The general principle of relativity requires that all these molluscs can be used as reference-bodies with equal right and equal success in the formulation of the general laws of nature; the laws themselves must be quite independent of the choice of mollusc.
The great power possessed by the general principle of relativity lies in the comprehensive limitation which is imposed on the laws of nature in consequence of what we have seen above.
Last edited by CTD; 02/27/09 10:59 PM. Reason: Improved post
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6,000-Year-Old Universe --- Sensationally Ridiculous
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LinearAq
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02/24/09 01:05 PM
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Sensationally Assumptive
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Russ
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02/27/09 03:02 PM
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Not Really All That Assumptive
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LinearAq
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02/27/09 06:05 PM
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Re: Not Really All That Assumptive
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Russ
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02/28/09 02:43 PM
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LinearAq
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Russ
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03/12/09 06:20 PM
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The report of my assumption is somewhat amiss.
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CTD
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03/12/09 09:58 PM
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03/13/09 12:14 AM
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Truth
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