Hey everyone,

A little background: I have heavy metal toxicity, candida, adrenal fatigue, etc. I did a candida cleanse and diet for many years. I had my amalgams removed properly in the summer of 2006. I only did a small amount of heavy metal detox at that time (a couple brief phases of chlorella and algin). My body was so weak and there were so many issues to address, that my doctor recommended first building up my system (working on sleep, adrenals, yeast, etc) before doing an in-depth heavy metal detox - we both agreed that my body couldn't handle the detox at the time. BUT, here I am, a couple years later....my body hasn't gotten stronger, in fact, it's gotten a little worse. We have decided to go ahead with the heavy metal detox, because we've done all we can to strengthen my system without addressing the root cause - metals.

Sooo, I'm looking for some feedback. I am taking "Heavy Detox" which has 65 mg of DMSA in it. I am doing this for 1 month and it's supposed to be my "gentle" start. I am also taking Algin to help get the toxins more safely out of my system. My main question is about the Algin: Does Algin absorb medications and nutrients too? (like activated charcoal does?). Does it need to be taken away from all other supplements? Right now, I am taking it well away from my DMSA, probiotics, thryoid meds, etc....because I'm worried it can absorb them if taken at the same time. But maybe this is not the case. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated!

Also, I know that DMSA tends to chelate all minerals out of your body. What is the best way to replenish these? (take multi-vitamins/minerals daily, or take a break from DMSA and take them then...?).

I'm a few weeks into the detox....it's effecting me, but has mostly been manageable. I had to take a few days break when it became too much, but I'm back on and doing ok so far. I'm also planning on adding in Vitamin C. I'm not sure what the next step is after I do this one month initial detox. I will probably be put on a higher dose of DMSA...

Thanks everyone!
~Tia

Hi Tia,

I'm sorry to hear you are a little wore, but not too surprised. Post amalgam removal, I was worse. I got worse about a year and a half after it because the mercury was still in my tissues and trying to come out. The slow dumping of mercury is like being repoisoned and yes, you nee to chelate it out of you because you can stay that way for years and years, feeling chronically ill.

Candida treatment will help, but I did not overdo it by taking antifungals and probiotics because they caused problems for me and I hear they can in mercury toxic people. Too strong a treatment can cause yeast to die too quickly and spit their cell walls open, not only releasing yeast toxins, but any mercury that is contained. This poisons the system - gut/liver etc. So one needs to be careful of that. Apparently, according to one health professional, probiotics should also not be used in mercury toxicity as he feels it methylates the mercury. Not sure how true this is or what. But it can indeed cause reactions, not just "die off".

I found diet to be the safest way to go for me personally. Eliminating all sugar/honey/fruit/high carbohydrates/grains/milk/cream/all gluten products and yeast/coffee and getting enough quality protein and fats from meat/chicken/liver/eggs/butter/lard etc. Hal Huggins recommends such a diet to mercury toxic people. No it's not a "cure", but it's a help and it aids detox, improves the gut and liver and puts the body in a better position to fight the mercury. Keeping yeast manageable by not feeding it helped me. Antifungals and probiotics sadly appeared to cause more problems than not.

For chelation? The only one I could tolerate and the only one at this point I would recommend to others is the Andy Cutler protocol. His protocol is logical and very popular and well tolerated. I found other ways of removing my mercury extremely risky. His works by a well thought out method - taking a low dose of DMSA every 4 hours around the clock (even through the night). For about 3 days (or more if tolerable, up to a week if one wishes). Then you take a break of the same amount of time you had on the DMSA (or longer if needed). E.g. 3 days on, 3 days off. Or one week on, one week off. You can take a longer break period if you require it. E.g. 3 days on, 5 days off for example.

Outside of this? I did not tolerate much else. The reactions from doing it any other way were pretty horrendous. So I mainly stuck with his and it works very very well and keeps symptoms somewhat manageable and doesn't push the mercury all over the place or even into worse areas, that other methods can do. The very 4 hour dosage keeps the DMSA levels in the body even. This means that the movement/removal of mercury is more constant and safer. AFter 4 hours the levels of DMSA drop, so this is why another dose is given before that can occur. If the levels of chelating agents are not constant in the blood stream, the movement of mercury becomes erratic, which poses a risk in that it can go into worse and more sensitive areas.

Please consider Cutler's protocol. Here is a link where you can find out more about it and the questions asked http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ANDY_INDEX.html

His book is available online and on this forum. It is called "Amalgam Illness, Diagnosis and Treatment" by Andrew Hall Cutler. I HIGHLY recommend this book. For me it was essential and I read it so often during my mercury toxic days. It was worth every cent. YOu should see it on the left of this page, yellow book.

I'm not sure enough about Algin to make a comment. The most important thing is to chelate the mercury out of you to get you well. And that needs to be done in the safest manner possible.

Cheers

Does Algin absorb medications and nutrients too? (like activated charcoal does?). Does it need to be taken away from all other supplements?

Yes, it absorbs almost everything. Definitely take it away from all foods and supplements. I keep it at least 1 hour away (1 hour before meals/supplements and 1 hour after meals/supplements)



I'm sorry to hear about this. After my removal I had 4 and 1/2 years of blissful health and mental/emotional strength and then declined sharply in late 2005 when this started happening:

http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showgallery&Number=46743
http://urlbam.com/ha/Qz (2007 extreme example)

Yes, I know it's hard for many to believe/accept right now, but so was the concept of mercury being in fillings a few short years ago.

Here is a short on what I think is going on:

http://urlbam.com/ha/M0022

In the past couple weeks, I have re-started a complete mercury detox plan and have already begun feeling a little better. Of course, the single largest help for my health is the protective mask I wear. It makes all the difference in the world. Of course, working out of my home it's much easier for me than most people:

http://urlbam.com/ha/Jzzzz

I am also now taking about 100 supplements per day including glutathione and NAC.

Please let us know what you decide to do.

I wonder about algin. I recently read about some kelp having high levels of arsenic. Perhaps you should take an iodine supplement that is not from seaweed? I am using kelp tablets for now(I just started using them a few days ago) but cut back on the dosage, and will look for other sources of iodine.

Thanks for all your replies!

Russ, that's good to have that confirmed. I will continue to take the Algin 1-2 hours away from everything else. Maybe longer, seeing as my digestion is terrible.

Bex - Thanks for all your advice. I stick to a pretty good candida diet, which eliminates all those things you mentioned. After a few years of doing it pretty strictly, I have added back in fruit (but I don't eat a lot), and allow a rare splurge on occasion. I know that gluten and dairy bother my system in particular, and I've been doing great with staying away from them for a long time now. I have the Cutler book, so I will read through it. It just looked a bit complicated, so I think I've been avoiding it lately! But I'll pick it back up.

JK98 - Thanks for the word of caution. I think it all depends on the brand. The better brands will test for metal levels to ensure it is pure. I think the Algin sold on this website is tested...but I'm not positive. If they test and guarantee it's purity, they will explain this on the websites selling the products. I'm actually not taking Algin for its iodine, but because it has a special affinity for safely binding to metals, and escorting them out of your system. They don't chelate on their own, but they assist chelators, so that once the mercury/metals are released by chelators, the algin moves the metals out of your system so they aren't floating around your body and causing problems. It's supposed to be a great, and safe, addition to most heavy metal detoxes.

Thanks again guys,
~Tia

Russ - I've also been meaning to ask you how your mercury testing in Jamestown concluded. (I'm from the area too).

About Algin

I use algin and have wonderful results from it. I am very careful about listening to information on the internet against alternative supplements because there are very active disinformation campaigns against supplements that cause the loss of pharmaceutical dollars. Quackwatch is a good example. I have personally found lies/deceptions on the quackwatch website and even wrote a short article about it:

http://herballure.com/HotTopics/MercuryAmalgam/BeyondRidiculous.html

About Mercury Testing

After going through all of the difficulty of renting the equipment and paying out hundreds of dollars of employee salaries for help for a week (not cheap), we found out that the instrument we rented measures only elemental mercury. The main mercury component of coal-burning power plants (the kind that Jamestown has) is organic mercury, so our measurements are useless. Methylmercury measurements are too time-consuming and expensive for us to conduct without substantial financial help.

We did get very high measurements from:

tuna (very high)
tuna-based cat foods (pretty high)
broken fluorescent light bulbs (very high)
broken CFL lights (extremely high, in most cases, too high to measure with our meter... > 999 ug m3)

If cats are fed tuna-based cat food, their litter box also had fairly high mercury readings.

If you open a can of tuna in kitchen, within a minute, the kitchen had mercury levels that are considered hazardous in the workplace by some organizations.

We tested the following items and found that they do not emit elemental mercury:

CRT monitors
Fluorescent lights
Cotton T-Shirts
Denim jeans
Cardboard boxes

We also tested cigarette smoke and detected fairly high amounts of elemental mercury.

We found that our indoor elemental mercury measurements taken from several houses indicated mercury vapor highest in carpeted rooms. Hardwood floors almost never had mercury vapor above them.

We will be posting a video eventually.

Russ what all did you use when you started out? Algin I know of and Chlorella right? How much when you first started? Did you get nasty detox symtpoms? I am anxious to know, I read your story and it really didn't say how much you used and what exactly all you used.

I didn't know anything about detox when I started my detox, so I began using chlorella and powdered protein.

I eventually graduated into Algin.

I (and Laura) also had 3 DMPS IV sessions followed by 50g vitamin C IV. We stopped that after the 3rd session because Laura got really sick and I began to read how hard it can be on the kidneys.

I am currently taking about 100 supplements per day to deal with chemtrail-related mercury, barium, lead, mycoplasma, mold, and aluminum.

I am taking magnesium malate to chelate aluminum, N-Acetyl Cysteine for multiple reasons, and Glutathine. I am finally showing some real progress.

I am also taking algin again each night.

Yeah I took Chlorella for years, only did me good, but Cutler says it's another Sulphur and a mobilizer and don't use it? It never did any bad to me, infact I felt better on it even before I had the tooth out (A week before it got taken out) it did well. I guess everyone is alot different, but I tolerated it well and still do. Algin though, I need to get onto that again and start it, period.

Some people do very well on sulfur. I think even Andy has admitted this. It depends how one responds. I'd be cautious. Certainly, whilst very mercury poisoned, I used to feel worse after eating foods high in sulfur. A meal of eggs, onions, cabbage etc used to make the symptoms heightened. But nothing major. Nowhere near as bad as garlic supplements or chlorella. I took chlorella onetime and was ill for about 2 months following.

So I did not have that with sulfur containing foods. Though I still had symptoms from them. I ate what I was able to tolerate and once more mercury was out, I stopped having reactions to sulfur foods! So that was a good indication.

Russ, i would be careful with the cysteine. If you don't have low plasma cysteine this can be quite harmful.

Have you considered chelating with the Cutler protocol?

It seems to be the most effective for severly poisoned people...

Two months Bex from taking it once? What in the? I used to take Garlic all tghe time and Chlorella and was all the better for it, guess we are totally different there (Eggs too). I don't know if I am going to do it again nor take those again, but for years I did well on them. I might just get Spirulina Pacifica and use it now religiously, that and Cayenne which I use everyday and a few other things (Probiotics), but as far as the Chlorella I might be done, not because of how I felt on it but because I believe Spirulina is better for me now to use. I feel for you though, I have taken things and felt like I was going to die (Diatamceous Earth for some reason) and sick to my stomach, but Chlorella was great to me! Kyolic too. I will keep you posted on what I take and how it goes, peace.

Well, actually I'm taking glutathione and NAC right now and seem to be doing quite well. Being that I'm an "O" blood type, I need protein and I do very well on it.

I had some very serious heart problems for months and found that potassium helped. I tried potassium because of barium chemtrail exposure, which deplete potassium.

I am now on an intense heart program with the mercury supplements I mentioned earlier and have been doing remarkably better in the short term. I'll see how it goes over the next month.

Yeah - though I didn't always react the same way with chlorella. I never knew what was going to happen. There were times I felt good, times I felt near insane with it. Therefore, I concluded that such unstable reactions may not be a good sign.

One person I heard about was ill 2 years after taking NDF (Chlorella based). However, this also could have been in combination with the mercury dump stage that it may have erupted, OR made worse by the chlorella.

Post amalgam removal usually brings about a time when the stored mercury will indeed begin to leak back out, causing the person to feel repoisoned. But taking products on top of that can erupt a load of mercury out of storage at once and simply let it run riot (mobilise it wildly). So for some, this can be devastating. Not that it's good to leave the mercury where it is and never get it detoxed - but it can be very risky to erupt it, when there is little control over it after that point.

Other things to take into consideration is basic biochemistry and how everybody is unique. So one man's meat, maybe another man's poison (as the saying goes). The mercury is what is unstable, but the way sulfur moves mercury is also unstable. Therefore, the two combined for those that may not do so well on high sulfur can be explosive.

If you do well on high sulfur (kyolic etc), it maybe just fine and possiby even helpful. But mercury toxic people MUST take into consideration the very real risks of such products and the potential for harm in such individuals. garlic supplements were always very powerful in me with mercury. So much so, I often had to stop taking them. So certainly it has an affinity with mercury. But also with candida and of course is good for sulfur. But not so great if one has horrible reactions to high sulfur.

Eh all this you can't do this and that and certain people is confusing and a flat out mess! Simple Kelp can get to me and make me feel nuts, that and selenium (Others do well on those). I tolerated the Sulfur stuff very well and still do as far as I am aware. Go figure the stuff you are not supposed to be able to use according to Andy, both do me very well and I am unique I guess in that matter (Russ too obviously). If is a mobilizer and bounces it around why the good results with me right away, thats all I wonder? Zeolite was very good to me as well, Cilantro was strong but even that was good on me? I am weird, stuff others can't tolerate I do it very well, and they are supposed to be harmful if not used right? I took Chlorella for years, only helped me out, infact when I quit I felt blood sugar swings and less energy.

What would be the symptoms of high plasma cysteine? Are they the same as high homocysteine?

I don't know. As far as i know there is a lab test for this.

According to cutler one should not supplement cysteine because it can make hg toxic people worse.

Just a note here. I had been on one forum where discussion of cysteine or NAC was brought up. Apparently (whether this is true or not), two people committed suicide after a doctor had put them on high doses of this stuff. Both had mercury toxicity.

Now I cannot vouch for the authenticity of this story, though I see no reason for anybody to lie about it. However, my own experience with taking products similar to that leads me to believe it is VERY possible. As if mercury isn't bad enough when it's settled where it is - but taking stuff that moves it around wildly can easily tip such a person over the edge. The mental symptoms alone are horrific. It is very hard to rationalise and think normally when in that state - actually quite impossible.

Any product with an affinity for metals can do this. It doesn't matter whether it's a chelating agent, or it's a mobilising agent. This is why Andy has given the protocol he has given. He spent YEARS working it out. Learning about mercury and the nature of it. He experimented first on himself, and sometimes at great cost. Hurting himself along the way.

I can certainly vouch for his protocol being the safest I have ever tried and the most effective. He was correct! Without his protocol, I doubt I would have been able to chelate the mercury. I was using all manner of products and protocols and hurting myself very badly.

How long did you continue Cutler's protocol?