Thanks for your support Abishag.

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Salt crystals form from a salt solution once one crystal is available to provide a structure to be copied. Is that reproduction? Define what you would consider reproduction and why that must be the point at which organic compounds can interact to increase complexity.


So are you telling me that you believe that salt crystals are subject to natural selection?

Actually, salt crystals are a perfect example of what I've been saying all along. It is a structure that is formed based on known natural laws.

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Yes, it tells anyone with a background in statistics that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.


Excellent. Thanks for the opinion. Let's talk about it.

What exactly is wrong with this math. I'm really looking forward to this conversation so please don't let this one go.

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You consider this a valid or appropriate answer to my post? why?


Because it's true.

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Since that is not what the theory of evolution states, why should I?


Actually, that's what has been taught in schools in many countries for decades. It was taught to me and most everyone I know.

The truth is, it's so ridiculous that evolutionary "science" has made a dramatic retreat and is hoping that nobody notices.

Here's a compelling summary (video): http://urlbam.com/ha/M000Z

This is a perfect example of what I've been talking about for so long. Evolution is not a science. It's a social control. This is why they can change it whenever they want to say whatever they want, so long as people don't notice, hence the chemical/emotional dumbing-down of the world.

If you were to ask who "they" are, I would say, "You must know." You have claimed to be a Christian so you must be familiar with the Mystery Babylon religion that resurges in the last days as prophesied in Revelation.

Well, "they" are the ones who believe in this Babylonian religion and who hold powerful positions throughout the world.

Through the years, not much has changed. Technology has come a long way, but human nature hasn't.

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If this is supposed to have prevented chemicals from forming amino acids, peptides, proteins and DNA back when there was no life, shouldn't it stop those things from happening now?
Maybe you need to explain further how "opposite charges attract" prevents complex molecules from forming.


Thank you; Very good. Again you've supported my position.

Please explain just how DNA formed through natural processes. This is your belief, so please tell us.

It's interesting that some of the world's renown biological scientists and chemists can't (and don't) support this one, but I really hope you at least try.

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The former Pope would disagree with you on this point.


When you come to understand the Mystery Babylon religion and it's current center, you would come to understand that the former Pope has about as much to do with the Bible as evolution.

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You said entropy will "Break matter down to its simplest stable form". Babies are hardly simple stable forms.


Neither are computers. Again, you support my position.

Babies are created by a highly-complex set of disconnected subsystems working together perfectly. Human bodies are designed to reproduce. This is an example of an intelligently-designed machine simply doing its job.

Human bodies are highly-complex, symmetrical, sexual (matching components in separate organisms), self-replicating machines. When they die, they are subject to entropy. But the point was related to the creation of the body through natural processes.

Once a machine is created, it works (hopefully). Remember, we're talking about creation here, not the reliability of an existing set of disconnected machines (reproductive systems).

Just how is the human body created through natural processes governed (defined) by natural laws? That is the central question evolutionists need to answer.

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Mutation that caused the jaw to be separated into the mandible and the ear bones.
Mutation that caused the scale follicles to become hair follicles.
Mutation that caused our bodies to be unable to manufacture our own vitamin C.


OK, let's pick just one.

So you believe the jaw symmetrically became ear bones? Do you understand how complex a feat that is? Do you understand the complexity involved in this type of "change"?

You have stated that you're an engineer. If that is the case, you should have some idea how silly this sounds. Nevertheless, please explain how we know that this occurred.

I really hope you don't drop the ball on this one either. Details please.

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There billions of fossils all over the world but that is a small percentage of the life that existed over the billions of years. Do you expect that all bodies will become fossilized? What is it about the fossilization process that indicates all bodies should have been fossilized?


Bodies don't have to become fossilized to be found.

Where are the bones? Where are the myriad of transitional forms? Billions of years of life and we have very little to show for it. We need to accept what the evidence tells us, not attempt to explain it away.

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It is the scientists that are putting forth this "evidence". Of course they are liars, according to you, but who are these "powers that be"? How are they profiting from the forcing of evolution teaching upon our children? What is it that they are using to influence schools to teach this "unscientific" stuff and forcing judges to support science in that endeavor?


I've explained this in detail before, but I enjoy doing it so let's do it again.

First, the junk science epidemic that we currently have is facilitated only in part by scientists, but mostly by politicians. Scientists often have to "shut up and don't ask questions" to keep their jobs secure, but scientists are generally more honest than politicians.

Politicians (usually) begin their careers to achieve an end. Scientists (usually) begin their careers because they enjoy the pursuit of knowledge (truth). The widely varying motivations tend to express themselves in this way:

Scientists find the best ways they can to discover.

Politicians utilize whatever they can to make change. (This often involves lying.)

Scientists are bound by the natural laws and processes that define their field.

Politicians are bound to create laws and processes to achieve their desired change.

Of course, there are exceptions to this. Many scientists have been found to have altered data for a bribe. Politicians have actually been found that try to stay honest.

Now, concerning your question about how the powers-that-be profit from evolution. That would make for a long list, but simply stated, they need to remove God from civilization because God gives personal liberty (rights) and property ownership. The PTB are attempting to enslave (steal our God-given rights) and steal property. If the people believed that these rights are God-given, they would not stand for this thievery we are currently experiencing.

So, to facilitate this confiscation of our property and liberty, they must make everyone believe there is no God and they must discredit the Bible because it teaches about God with strong evidence (astounding prophecy and perfect Biblical numerology).

That is the ten-thousand foot view of the reason evolution is promoted so heavily in all media: So they can steal our property and take our liberties. The taking of liberties is necessary for them to secure their power.

So, as I have said for a long time:

Evolution is a social control. If you believe it, you are controlled.

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What is it that they are using to influence schools to teach this "unscientific" stuff and forcing judges to support science in that endeavor?


They influence schools with funding. There are always strings attached to funding which is why Rothchild said:

"Permit me to issue and control the money of the nation and I care not who makes its laws."

Now this belief in evolution is further injected into society using something very powerful, something that is considered:

"The most powerful force for controlling human behavior."

and that is:

Fear (through social pressure).

You see, humans are followers by nature because they have a deep fear of being alone (hence the promotion of relationships as a "god" in today's society). So, they follow each other because it's more important to them to feel empowered (not alone) than to face the truth.

Of course, this belief in evolution must be supported by just enough "truth" to ease the conscience, so they provide plenty of junk science for just this purpose.

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And one day you will support something you have said with evidence to convince me that I need to make that admission....but apparently that is not today.


No, actually God did that for us (how gracious He is indeed).

It's up to you to read the Bible and search out the evidences in it for yourself. Then, learn about the largest and most powerful conspiracy in history: The modern-day Mystery Babylonian religion.

It is engineered to appeal to the pride. The Bible calls it "doctrines of demons" because its central belief was penned by "entities". This is not my claim. This is the claim of the very ones who penned it and who believe it.

Study, study, study.

Nobody can do it for you.

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Some people believe that God did create all things using the mechanisms that He put in place and leaving the evidence seen by physicists, astronomers, geologists, paleontologists, and biologists. Despite the evidence that people believe in God and Christ along with evolution, you still deny it is so. Why is that?


Because I'm not pressured by what other people believe because I'm not afraid of being alone. In fact, I never have to be afraid of being alone. God has made promises to me and I believe Him. He will never leave me nor forsake me. He has not given me a spirit of fear, but of power, of love, and of a sound mind.

What people believe does not define truth. Rather, truth should define what people believe.

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Who is lying to us, stealing from us, and killing us? Name them instead of hiding what you know behind this amorphous "powers that be". Show your evidence, otherwise this just makes you sound like Mel Gibson in "Conspiracy Theory".


I don't care what it sounds like. I only care about truth.

Here are a few family names for you: Morgan, Rockefeller, Rothchild. You will find most of the others in the book, "The Creature From Jekyll Island".

Again, do your homework. The information is easily accessible if you care enough to.

I learned a long time ago that those who know, know because they care. Those who remain ignorant are so because they don't care.

So, you have the tools and access to the information. If you learn about these things I speak about, it is because you care. If you continue to ignore them, you're faith in evolution will continue to be supported by vast assumptions and junk science.

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Michael Denton believed evolution did take place.


His quotes are valid nonetheless. Even evolutionists say good things sometimes. wink


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