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This begs the question, who exactly are you arguing against. We've been asking ourselves this question for quite some time now PWCCA. Exactly which incarnation of Russell2 are you? You see, telling the truth and being honest is pretty important in this world. When you're not honest with others, there is a pretty good bet that you're not honest with yourself. And if a person is not honest with themself, how can they be considered to be intellectually honest at all? If you need an example of exactly why the world of "science" blindly promotes something as stupid as evolution (which is not the same as natural selection, by the way), you only need to look in the mirror. Coveting is blinding. Nevertheless, your favored religion—your undying faith in something that has never been observed (evolution)—is failing.
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This begs the question, who exactly are you arguing against. We've been asking ourselves this question for quite some time now PWCCA. Exactly which incarnation of Russell2 are you? You see, telling the truth and being honest is pretty important in this world. When you're not honest with others, there is a pretty good bet that you're not honest with yourself. And if a person is not honest with themself, how can they be considered to be intellectually honest at all? If you need an example of exactly why the world of "science" blindly promotes something as stupid as evolution (which is not the same as natural selection, by the way), you only need to look in the mirror. Coveting is blinding. Nevertheless, your favored religion—your undying faith in something that has never been observed (evolution)—is failing. Wow Russ. Pretty rude statements. Actually EXTREMELY so. Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. I've never seen, either, what coveting has to do with any of this. What is your definition and how do you come to this relationship between the two?? (And what the heck are issues you relate to coveting? Makes no sense). As far as I know, Pwcca grew up in his "undying religion" - its the culture he knows and its more naturalistic but he does believe in God. ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????? Sheesh, Russ.
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I hate to break it to you Jeannie but PWCCA has been less than honest with you. We have examined his records on our system and they are an exact match to Russell2, and all of his other incarnations. You said... Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. How you do you "know" this Jeannie? What evidence do you have. Please share it with me. Because, as I said, it's obvious to us that the records are an exact match. Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. I didn't say he was stupid. I said evolution is stupid. Big difference. I've never seen, either, what coveting has to do with any of this. Exactly. That's precisely my point. You see, the reason you don't see the truth about mormonism is the same reason PWCCA/Russell2 does not see the truth about evolution: Because he so much wants and desires evolution to be true. He covets evolution. If he believed in the God of the Bible with such passion, he'd be called a fanatic; An extremist; A religious escapist desperately holding on to his religion. In fact, he wants his religion so much, that he cannot process the evidence against it. He cannot see it. This is what coveting does: It blinds you to the truth that is right in front of you.It's exactly the same as telling an alcoholic that he's an alcoholic. He doesn't want to see it. He doesn't want to be told it. He doesn't want to know it. He is blind to it on purpose because he wants that drink so badly. It's an addiction; A desire so strong that he is subconsciously unwilling, and therefore unable, to see what is right in front of him. If you tell him, he'll get mad at you. You are threatening to take away the thing he wants to keep; His safe haven; His denial; His idol. Whether the idol is mormonism or evolution or alcohol, the name of the fear that keeps you in bondage to an idol is the same. It's called coveting.Letting go of our idols is one of the most liberating and eye-opening things we can do. But, of course, before we can overcome this problem, we have to know it exists, and the only way to know it exists is to meet someone strong, caring, and honest enough to tell us.
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Exactly which incarnation of Russell2 are you? Wow, man. The bus doesn't come to your side of town, does it? Claiming I am actually Russell2 says one of two things. You're either a blithering idiot wholly incapable of looking at two different posting styles and differentiating one from the other - or you secretly know I am not Russell2 and never was, that the bloke lives on the other side of the world from me, yet you play like you believe it so that you can manipulate your argument. Knowing that you post with some measure of intellect I'd have to guess it's the second option - I suspect that you desperately want me to be Russell2, otherwise you wouldn't repeat it like a mantra over and over and over, ad nauseum. In fact, I'm sure that's what's happening. Otherwise how would one explain the fact that Russell2 is banned but I am not. Interestingly, Russell2 knows a great deal in the field of evolution while I am an admitted layman. You banned him because you cannot stand up against his statements. If you really think I am Russell2, unban Russell2's account and ban me, Pwcca. I guarantee you'll see a massive difference in who you're up against. Or keep us both unbanned and watch how the discussions evolve. But, no.. it's far easier to say I'm Russell2 and keep the real Russell2 banned for unexplained reasons. That you routinely turn my name into an acronym despite that I've told you it's a name (Pwcca not PWCCA) demonstrates your inability to read other people's posts. It also says you know nothing of what the name Pwcca means and therefore why I would do something like claim I am who I am not. (PS: Hey, just for experiment's sake, let's see where this leads - I'm RAZD, I'm RAZD!)
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I hate to break it to you Jeannie but PWCCA has been less than honest with you. We have examined his records on our system and they are an exact match to Russell2, and all of his other incarnations. You said... Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. How you do you "know" this Jeannie? What evidence do you have. Please share it with me. Because, as I said, it's obvious to us that the records are an exact match. Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. I didn't say he was stupid. I said evolution is stupid. Big difference. I've never seen, either, what coveting has to do with any of this. Exactly. That's precisely my point. You see, the reason you don't see the truth about mormonism is the same reason PWCCA/Russell2 does not see the truth about evolution: Because he so much wants and desires evolution to be true. He covets evolution. If he believed in the God of the Bible with such passion, he'd be called a fanatic; An extremist; A religious escapist desperately holding on to his religion. In fact, he wants his religion so much, that he cannot process the evidence against it. He cannot see it. This is what coveting does: It blinds you to the truth that is right in front of you.It's exactly the same as telling an alcoholic that he's an alcoholic. He doesn't want to see it. He doesn't want to be told it. He doesn't want to know it. He is blind to it on purpose because he wants that drink so badly. It's an addiction; A desire so strong that he is subconsciously unwilling, and therefore unable, to see what is right in front of him. If you tell him, he'll get mad at you. You are threatening to take away the thing he wants to keep; His safe haven; His denial; His idol. Whether the idol is mormonism or evolution or alcohol, the name of the fear that keeps you in bondage to an idol is the same. It's called coveting.Letting go of our idols is one of the most liberating and eye-opening things we can do. But, of course, before we can overcome this problem, we have to know it exists, and the only way to know it exists is to meet someone strong, caring, and honest enough to tell us. This is the biggest bunch of malarkey I've ever heard. Ban me. Please.
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Oh shoot, I almost forgot. You know, since I'm RAZD:
"Enjoy!"
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I hate to break it to you Jeannie but PWCCA has been less than honest with you. We have examined his records on our system and they are an exact match to Russell2, and all of his other incarnations. You said... Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. How you do you "know" this Jeannie? What evidence do you have. Please share it with me. Because, as I said, it's obvious to us that the records are an exact match. Pwcca is not and never has been R2 and he's not stupid. I didn't say he was stupid. I said evolution is stupid. Big difference. I've never seen, either, what coveting has to do with any of this. Exactly. That's precisely my point. You see, the reason you don't see the truth about mormonism is the same reason PWCCA/Russell2 does not see the truth about evolution: Because he so much wants and desires evolution to be true. He covets evolution. If he believed in the God of the Bible with such passion, he'd be called a fanatic; An extremist; A religious escapist desperately holding on to his religion. In fact, he wants his religion so much, that he cannot process the evidence against it. He cannot see it. This is what coveting does: It blinds you to the truth that is right in front of you.It's exactly the same as telling an alcoholic that he's an alcoholic. He doesn't want to see it. He doesn't want to be told it. He doesn't want to know it. He is blind to it on purpose because he wants that drink so badly. It's an addiction; A desire so strong that he is subconsciously unwilling, and therefore unable, to see what is right in front of him. If you tell him, he'll get mad at you. You are threatening to take away the thing he wants to keep; His safe haven; His denial; His idol. Whether the idol is mormonism or evolution or alcohol, the name of the fear that keeps you in bondage to an idol is the same. It's called coveting.Letting go of our idols is one of the most liberating and eye-opening things we can do. But, of course, before we can overcome this problem, we have to know it exists, and the only way to know it exists is to meet someone strong, caring, and honest enough to tell us. This is the biggest bunch of malarkey I've ever heard. Ban me. Please. Oh Jeanie, just admit that you're me and Russell2. Jeez, what's wrong with you!  It's okay, we can tell everyone in the forum that we have multiple personality disorder and we're really one person. Sincerely, Jeanie. ..I mean Pwcca. I mean, god I'm so confused now!!
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Exactly which incarnation of Russell2 are you? Wow, man. The bus doesn't come to your side of town, does it? Claiming I am actually Russell2 says one of two things. You're either a blithering idiot wholly incapable of looking at two different posting styles and differentiating one from the other - or you secretly know I am not Russell2 and never was, that the bloke lives on the other side of the world from me, yet you play like you believe it so that you can manipulate your argument. What Pwcca2fle does not divulge is that while shopping for logical fallacies, this one caught his eye. Enjoy
Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm"To Compel A Man To Furnish Funds For The Propagation Of Ideas He Disbelieves And Abhors Is Sinful And Tyrannical." - Thomas Jefferson "And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with his wrath?" - Thomas Jefferson
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I'm really astounded at the character of these people. I've had enough.This is a forum for an intellectual discussion of evolution and creation, not games and confusing tactics. Finally, to tie this subject in a tight knot, I want to display the log entries for both Russell2 and PWCCA.So, barring that our system is mixing up information, this is how we know that PWCCA is Russell2. Please note that we use the open-source industry-standard Apache web server which is very reliable, so it is highly unlikely that these IP numbers and log entries are incorrect. So, unless Russell2 and PWCCA have the ability to share the same IP address (from other ends of the world--as he claims), and are using the same computer (a media center PC version 5.0), with the same browser, the same operating system and the same versions of all of the above software, there is little doubt what is going on here. In short, several people are sharing the same group of user accounts on this system.You have been banned. Information on members IP addresses/computer details:Pwcca: Click here for user profile Registered 07/12/07 with the IP (212.200.173.43) "GET /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/sick.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 1003 "http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=newpost&Board=13" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506)" IP addresses 77.105.49.11 77.105.18.142 77.105.25.49 (Identical to Alia Atreides and Mordred).79.175.90.152 79.101.241.86 79.175.80.11 79.175.99.34 (identical with Nina).79.175.76.48 91.150.84.60 91.150.84.29 91.150.84.105 91.150.84.25 91.150.84.212 91.150.84.169 91.150.84.126 91.150.84.133 91.150.84.207 150.101.3.137 (identical to Russell2)212.200.173.28 212.200.172.151 212.200.173.54 212.200.172.73 212.200.172.231 212.200.173.83 212.200.172.187 212.200.173.90 212.200.173.233 212.200.172.105 212.200.172.55 212.200.173.196 212.200.173.60 212.200.173.44 212.200.172.82 212.200.172.211 212.200.172.156 212.200.173.14 212.200.172.235 212.200.173.98 212.200.173.229 213.137.121.107 213.137.120.208 213.137.121.163 216.14.198.61 (Identical to Russell2) 216.14.198.60 (identical with Russell2 and David G).ALia Atreides Click here for user profile Registration IP (77.105.59.88)"GET /ubbthreads/images/icons/default/cry.gif HTTP/1.1" 200 1008 "http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=22&page=1" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506)" IP addresses:77.105.25.49 (Identical with Pwcca and Mordred)77.105.28.152 77.105.59.88 77.105.20.60 79.175.78.3 (identical to Russell2) 79.175.88.5 (identical to Russell2)79.175.80.159 (identical to Russell2)Reynard the Fox Click here for user profile Registered under (79.175.95.141) Computer/programme information Mozilla/4.0, compatible; MSIE 7.0; windows NT 6.0; SLCC7; NET CLK 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; NET CLR 3.0.04506 (same as Russel2 and Pwcca) IP addresses:77.105.59.189 79.175.95.172 (identical to Russell2)79.175.95.141 (identical to Russell2)Russell2 Click here for user profile Registered 07/28/08 07:39 PM under (216.14.198.61) (same as Pwcca)"GET /Images/Spacers/1x1,bgWhite.jpg HTTP/1.1" 304 - "http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=newuser" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 7.0; Windows NT 6.0; SLCC1; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; Media Center PC 5.0; .NET CLR 3.0.04506)" IP addresses: 58.161.114.21 79.175.95.141 (identical as Reynard the Fox)79.175.78.3 (identical to Alia Atreides)79.175.88.5 (identical to Alia Atreides)79.175.80.159 (identical to Alia Astreides)79.175.95.172 (identical to Reynard the fox)89.216.16.5 150.101.3.137 (identical to Pwcca)203.39.8.229 (identical to DavidG)211.27.223.106 216.14.198.53 216.14.198.60 (identical to Pwcca and DavidG)216.14.198.61 (identical to Pwcca)Pantoufle Click here for user profile Registration Date: 11/01/08 10:36 AM Registration IP: 77.105.31.148 IP addresses: 77.105.31.148 77.105.31.232 77.105.26.238 79.175.105.158 Nina Click here for user profile (registered I think 05.03.05) with (172.174.77.231?) IP addresses:79.175.95.22 79.175.99.34 (identical to Pwcca)79.175.85.234 80.93.229.153 212.200.172.156 (identical to Pwcca)212.200.173.59 DavidG Click here for user profile Registered 10/22/08 (121.45.70.92) IP addresses:144.135.146.229 121.45.226.187 121.45.70.92 203.39.8.229 (identical to Russell2)216.14.198.60 (identical to Pwcca's and Russell2)Mordred Click here for user profile Registered 08.09.08 IP addresses:77.105.23.174 (identical to Pwcca)77.105.31.249 77.105.25.49 - (identical to Pwcca, Alia Atreides on the same page, same thread. Check this one out http://herballure.com/ubbthreads/ub...amp;Main=5356&Number=41739#Post41739
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