Originally Posted by Russ
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If you’ve only seen the short lived and high varieties you’ve missed out. I don’t know the US, did you live somewhere dry? That could account for this.


I've watched countless WWII movies over the years and never saw contrails in them, except for the occasional 2-second wisp from a wing tip. It's clear to me that the massive propaganda machine is at work altering and adding to old clips. It's nor surprising. It's exactly what I would do if I was in their position. I've seen some of these clips lately, and they are clearly overcompensating. They are clearly propagandistic.

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Why would they waste enormous sums of money to dump this stuff over uninhabited land which is not even used for agriculture and so would never enter the human food chain?


Because chemtrails are not just about human intoxication. They are also about ionizing the atmosphere. This may be for underground mapping and other purposes all being accomplished in one program. I'm not sure because it's obviously a "secret" (HIPS-hiding in plain sight) operation.

See the sticky posts that I have in this forum regarding these patents, or you can do a Google search. The use of barium in th atmosphere has some amazing implications.

About the money, you need to realize that money is no object. The scope of this operation (global) demonstrates the enormous political power behind this. In fact, it is evidence of a centralized world power, just as predicted in the Bible. Only a world power would be able to control most nations of the world to participate in such a program.

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Metals are long lived environmental pollutants so you don’t have to drop it constantly to get an effect.


Yes they are, which is why we are now seeing so many soil tests come up with very high aluminum, barium, and other toxins.

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."
(Revelation 11:18)

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Forget 15 minutes the particle sizes they documented would take days to fall from thirty thousand plus feet which is the altitude they claimed for chemtrail spraying.


They are spraying low here, for the most part. I occasionally see them spraying high, but I can feel the intense sinus burn usually 15 to 30 minutes after they spray.

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The other problem I see with this idea, and it’s the one that started this thread, is the question of how you know what’s in the chemtrails. How do you sample them?


Simply because there should not be those kinds of levels in the atmosphere. When several tests have been done in different areas they are spraying, and we continually see these metals appearing "out of nowhere", we can start to draw some common sense conclusions.

Let us not forget common sense.


When you mentioned barium in the atmosphere bells went off. (HAARP). Sure enough, I typed in atmospheric barium and the second site ties in the HAARP. THIS IS REAL..... I have seen it and lived with it. If I have it right, the idea was conceived or begun in the 1950s. People in AK where it is, I don't believe, for the most part even know what is going on yet you can drive from Fairbanks to North Pole City and see the huge radar like "guns" along the highway. One of them was apparently aimed right across where I lived 6 years and I felt its affect quite literally. Forgive the repost, but there was a week that our microwave blew, (newly bought after the move), our new stereo system blew and the electronics in our van whigged out for no reason. We took the van in and there was nothing wrong with it. That very week it came out in the paper that they'd had to turn down the HAARP due to electronic interference. There were days I would feel agitated (from the HAARP) and go around town and everyone else would be as well. It had just started being used when we lived there. They use it to x-ray the earth as well as to try weather control and are trying to develop it as a weapon. I have seen confused geese..... (We use to live near "Creamer's Field" which is a farm dedicated to being a place for migrating birds). This is not something we should be messing with...but I'm afraid the chemtrails to me, now, make sense if the HAARP is part of its design. This couldn't be more "scientific." It is not something I want to believe....and I had a hard time believing they were literally just doing it to poison us - but now it makes sense.....

Last edited by Jeanie; 11/05/08 10:31 AM.