Hi fellow aircraft nerd.

I’ve been an aircraft nut for more years than I can remember, my father worked for an airline so I grew up with the idea of flying and doing more than a little of it myself. I got to fly a simulator long before I learned to fly and I got to ride the jump seat once before they changed the rules (what a buzz that was). Today I’m still flying quite a lot so not much has changed though most of its as a passenger on commercial flights unfortunately.

I have some great memories and some great pictures of very long lasting contrails from the late 70’s when I got my first camera and I’ve got quite a few older shots from other people from the war era of long lasting chaotic turbulent contrails over the English channel and other areas of Europe from the earliest times that aircraft could reach the altitudes necessary to create them. Of course that’s not always very high, you can see ground level contrails in the arctic and Antarctic at times but over most of this planet you have to be up pretty high to create long lasting ones though moderately long lived turbulent contrails can be seen even at much lower levels in humid air.

I can’t understand why you didn’t see them if you were as avid a plane spotter as you seem, maybe you were just unlucky.

LOL but hey your one up on me if you’ve ever seen a rocket launch, apart from some jetX (sp?) models I’ve never actually seen anything rocket powered first hand. I’m jealous now.

I’ve seen contrails out the windows of commercial aircraft from other commercial aircraft flying opposite track to us, I’ve watched the small contrail streamers form on the flaps of my aircraft in humid air on approach and I’ve seen some amazing short lived contrails on jets pulling G’s at air shows. In one shot I took a few years ago these chaotic vortex streamers trail many plane lengths behind the aircraft as it enters the humid air near some low level cloud. The pattern was very clear, near the cloud, long clear contrails, away from the cloud, short or non existent contrails. I’ve even got a shot from WWII of long-lived contrail streamers trailing from the propeller tips of a bomber flight in humid air at high power settings. If you’ve only seen the short lived and high varieties you’ve missed out. I don’t know the US, did you live somewhere dry? That could account for this.

While I’ve often seen contrails over our cities and over the middle of no where (the Aussie outback) I’ve never experienced the symptoms you describe along with them. Maybe I’m lucky. Why would they waste enormous sums of money to dump this stuff over uninhabited land which is not even used for agriculture and so would never enter the human food chain? If they were trying to poison the food chain why not save the money and just drop this stuff from low altitude (much cheaper) at night when it wouldn’t be observed. Metals are long lived environmental pollutants so you don’t have to drop it constantly to get an effect.

The powers that be want autistic people? Why?

Your symptoms sound horrible but what I don’t get is how they can be related to contrails/chemtrails so soon after you see the planes given the time it would take for such minute particles as that website you sent me to described would take to fall to earth. Forget 15 minutes the particle sizes they documented would take days to fall from thirty thousand plus feet which is the altitude they claimed for chemtrail spraying.

The other problem I see with this idea, and it’s the one that started this thread, is the question of how you know what’s in the chemtrails. How do you sample them? The method described on that website basically collected wind blown dust so you’d get everything from truck exhaust, factory exhaust, dust from mining and agricultural lands as well as anything else that’s blowing in the wind mixed in with any chemtrail chemicals that were present at the time. How would you know what was chemtrail and what was from other sources? How could you rule out mining or factory exhaust or the multitude of other sources that we have created in our modern world as the sources for these chemicals? How would you know the airborne concentrations when you are measuring the concentrated dust from a long term sample?

Hey feel better man. CYA later

DG