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How are the chemtrail samples collected for analysis?

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You can read the details on the Carnicom and Rense websites.



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Thanks. I read through their site and can't find anywhere a description of how they collected the samples. They talked about the bacterial contents of the samples at one point but never how they were collected. Do you know how they do it?

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Hi Russ

I’ve been doing my homework on Chemtrails and I’m still stuck on the testing stuff. There are a number of articles on those websites you pointed me at that talk about the quantity of Barium and other metals and bacteria in submitted samples but these samples are collected in water left out in the open. How do they exclude dust from nearby mining operations, car exhausts and tyres, building activities, power station exhausts, fireworks and other pyrotechnics all of which contain these metals in various quantities and how do they exclude all the everyday sources of biological materials from their samples? How do you get a sample of a chemtrail when they are dropped into the upper atmosphere where winds often topping 200 kph would blow them across several countries before such tiny particles would reach the surface of the earth.

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I think the fact that the tests show this much toxic material is very telling. There should not be those kinds of levels in the atmosphere even considering all of the other forms of pollution. Not even close.

Also, most of the spraying that I have personally witnessed has been low altitude spraying, although high altitude spraying could certainly be targeted when the atmospheric conditions are known (which they are).

I can tell you from my personal experience that I felt the health effects of the spraying activity 15 to 25 minutes after the spraying started, and during this time, both Laura and I experienced health symptoms including cracking joints, ringing in the ears, extreme fatigue, dark circles under the eyes, joint pain, heartburn, oily skin, and much more. Not surprisingly, these symptoms are nearly identical to mercury poisoning.

So, as far as the atmospheric testing goes, I would love to participate in getting some tests done, but unfortunately, they cost hundreds of dollars (I know because I spoke with a lab yesterday), and until people are willing to pitch in and help out, I'm going to make sure th air I'm breathing is as clean as possible. People who are unwilling to participate will have to make their own decisions.

Nevertheless, I don't know how you would "exclude" other types of pollution from samples.

How would that be done?

How do we know where the pollution came from?

These are tough problems; All good questions, but for me, I've been alive long enough to know to run for cover when I see bombs falling. I don't need to view the flash to be convinced that danger is near.

I hope this makes sense.


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I think the fact that the tests show this much toxic material is very telling. There should not be those kinds of levels in the atmosphere even considering all of the other forms of pollution. Not even close.

If they were actually testing the atmosphere I’d agree but they weren’t, at least not in the tests they documented on the websites, they were measuring the dust collected in water left out for an indeterminate time. Dusts will blow past many objects but will be trapped and concentrated by water so the levels found don’t reflect atmospheric concentrations. They made a mistake I guess when they compared the levels in that water to the safe exposure levels for airborne materials. It’s certainly scary that those levels were found in the water of course especially as one who relies on rain water tanks for drinking water.

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Also, most of the spraying that I have personally witnessed has been low altitude spraying, although high altitude spraying could certainly be targeted when the atmospheric conditions are known (which they are).


That’s another problem I see with this, those websites point out that contrails can persist for long periods and that they can form at ground level in the right conditions also that they can look grey and dark or brightly coloured in the right conditions. How, given that, can you visually detect chemtrails?

They also state that chemtrails are produced by military tankers yet the picture they use to illustrate that point is of an A330, a civilian airliner with no military or tanker variants.

So how do we know what trails are contrails and what are chemtrails? How do we know where those high levels of metals come from or the high levels of bacteria and other biological materials? Sure the levels of metals may be high though the testing methodology was flawed so we can’t know from these tests but there’s no actual evidence presented that they come from aircraft and all of them have earth bound sources too, sources that are not necessarily related to malicious activities.

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I can tell you from my personal experience that I felt the health effects of the spraying activity 15 to 25 minutes after the spraying started, and during this time, both Laura and I experienced health symptoms including cracking joints, ringing in the ears, extreme fatigue, dark circles under the eyes, joint pain, heartburn, oily skin, and much more. Not surprisingly, these symptoms are nearly identical to mercury poisoning.


Your experience sounds nasty whatever it’s cause and those samples certainly appear to have come from the air in those locations, even if the methodology can’t give you accurate figures on it, so whatever their source, airborne spraying, factory emissions etc or other sources you are wise to take precautions.

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So, as far as the atmospheric testing goes, I would love to participate in getting some tests done, but unfortunately, they cost hundreds of dollars (I know because I spoke with a lab yesterday), and until people are willing to pitch in and help out, I'm going to make sure th air I'm breathing is as clean as possible. People who are unwilling to participate will have to make their own decisions.


On Carnicom’s site a researcher offered to do testing for anyone who wanted to send her samples. She didn’t mention a cost and I got the feeling she wasn’t charging but I didn’t look into that so I don’t know for sure.

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Nevertheless, I don't know how you would "exclude" other types of pollution from samples.

How would that be done?

How do we know where the pollution came from?


Exactly my point, how do we know? The short answer is that we simply don’t. All of these chemicals are produced at some level by industry, some are quite common in some natural soils and so even wind over dry land (given the current drought conditions this is likely to be higher than usual at the moment) could produce some of these readings. If they are spraying us with this stuff for some reason it seems a very expensive and ineffective approach. I could easily believe that local industry in these areas is releasing all sorts of dangerous stuff into the environment whenever the EPA is not watching producing some if not all of these levels.

The only obvious way to get a pure sample would be to tail one of the aircraft doing the spraying. That would cost money but it’s not as hard as you might think, you don’t have to follow right behind them, given how long the visible trails last you could be quite a long way behind and if you are seeing the trails at low altitude even conventional aircraft would be able to intercept and sample the trails.

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I hope this makes sense.


I think we need to fill in some of the gaps in our knowledge here before we jump to conclusions, if we focus on contrails as a culprit and ignore the local power station or factory and they turn out the be the real culprit we’ve done ourselves a disservice wouldn’t you agree. Equally if the testing method concentrates the dusts so significantly that it elevates safe levels into the dangerous range we could be fooling ourselves about the true nature and extent of the problem. Does that all makes sense?

Thanks for your time Russ.

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Hi DG,

I don't think it takes a rocket scientist or expert detective to figure out that when a person's symptoms coincide with the appearance of something (e.g. chemtrails) and improve or even disappear with the disappearance of something on a consistent basis, then there just might be something in it.

I know of someone else who has a similar issue to Russ and suffers horribly. Again, symptoms coincide with the appearance of chemtrails, surely this accounts for something? Each everytime they come and go as the chemtrails come and go....hmmmmmmmmm.

We had a couple of people on here who used to talk about this on the amalgam thread and seemed to find it highly amusing to talk about Russ' apparent paranoia etc. Now, one wonders why they didn't think about their own apparent "paranoia" regarding amalgams, since they were on that forum discussing their toxicities from amalgam. Now perhaps we could have turned around and laughed, since so many say it's safe right? They had accepted this was a reality, since it had affected them. wink And this is typical of people. Until you are affected by it, usually lots of explanations will be found to excuse it or pretend it's not really "that". Well if you can explain the consistency of appearance of disappearance of symptoms coinciding with the chemtrails? I'd be interested.

I do see where you are coming from yes, and certainly it's a wise idea to consider other possibilities (and this too was also brought up by those people on that forum). But again consider timing of symptoms. Now if you are in doubts about Russ' sanity, you would also have to be in doubt about Laura on here (his working partner), and other members who have complained about being affected. And certainly the person I know who suffers too, who could not be more sane in my opinion. MOst people I think who suffer like this and keep their sanity are pretty amazing.

The suffering that some of these toxins can bring, at least to more sensitive/suseptible individuals can be a total misery. I have had relatives cynical of what I've gone through and eventually the only time I have for people are the ones who actually believe me, instead of insulting my intelligence and character by considering I'm either lying or "paranoid and imagining it" "neurotic".

I'll give you an example of how sensitive and suspetible I am to mercury DG. I only have to walk into a dental office before I can become further poisoned and in a much worse state. I don't have to get anything done, except sit there (even for consulation). Now, if this was just down to cleaning products or anything else they are using, how is it I get it nowhere else? How is it the symptoms are identical to mercury and I can even taste metal? Coincidentally, mercury vapor is high in dental office, since they are drilling it in or out most days. Even the highest tech extraction systems cannot clear out a heavy metal like this well enough.

Now, once upon a time, this was never a problem for me as I had a strong immunity and didn't notice any such issues with dental offices and had I never experienced it, I wonder if I would believe somebody who had? Since there are some others out there who apparently get the same problem. This problem only occured after virus infection that has remained with me now for 5 years, that's when this problem began. Lowered immunity was pretty much all it took to become so suspetible to it. It maybe a mild dose for some and their body's efficiently take care of the intake of toxins (which it's meant to do), but somebody who is weakened or damaged? There maybe a problem.

To actually try and explain this to other people isn't easy and usually I flag it and don't bother, since the cynical looks and comments eventually become tiresome. I've kept quite a lot now to myself in my everyday life. Sometimes I feel desperately ill, but have to put on a mask alot of the time. I reveal it to my immediate family for the most part and on the forum.

I have not experienced chemtrails here, but if other people have and been ill by them, I accept that based upon their symptoms and the timing of them that there is a high probability there is something in it. I could be like a few others though and consider that because I'm not suffering, the problem probably doesn't really exist smile

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Originally Posted by Russ
I think the fact that the tests show this much toxic material is very telling. There should not be those kinds of levels in the atmosphere even considering all of the other forms of pollution. Not even close.

Also, most of the spraying that I have personally witnessed has been low altitude spraying, although high altitude spraying could certainly be targeted when the atmospheric conditions are known (which they are).

I can tell you from my personal experience that I felt the health effects of the spraying activity 15 to 25 minutes after the spraying started, and during this time, both Laura and I experienced health symptoms including cracking joints, ringing in the ears, extreme fatigue, dark circles under the eyes, joint pain, heartburn, oily skin, and much more. Not surprisingly, these symptoms are nearly identical to mercury poisoning.

So, as far as the atmospheric testing goes, I would love to participate in getting some tests done, but unfortunately, they cost hundreds of dollars (I know because I spoke with a lab yesterday), and until people are willing to pitch in and help out, I'm going to make sure th air I'm breathing is as clean as possible. People who are unwilling to participate will have to make their own decisions.

Nevertheless, I don't know how you would "exclude" other types of pollution from samples.

How would that be done?

How do we know where the pollution came from?

These are tough problems; All good questions, but for me, I've been alive long enough to know to run for cover when I see bombs falling. I don't need to view the flash to be convinced that danger is near.

I hope this makes sense.


You can't argue with a feeling. I "felt" the HAARP in Alaska.... I "feel" things I can't even explain sometimes, but then find out there was somthing to them. I "feel" full moons. I don't know if something is going on with chemtrails or not, but obviously something is going on. They apparently aren't purported to be spraying much here where I'm at - but have seen times I did see them or whatever they are and did feel some of those symptoms and others seemed to be in an inexplicable funk at the same time. You often see that....

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Bex, I haven't noticed being that sensitive to Dentist offices, but I am very sensitive to chemicals and can't be around smoke at all. You've made good points, here. You have to know what you're dealing with to fight it, too.

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Hi Jeanie,

I never used to either, even when I was suffering from toxicity from candida and amalgam. I could walk into any dental office and not notice anything. Before or after amalgam removal. The problem only began following the viral infection. So I don't think with most people, even poisoned, would probably notice it, unless they have a damaged or severely challenged/lowered immunity.

I am sensitive to cigarettes/smoke also Jeanie. Chemicals too yes. Just signs of a lowered and more dysfunctional system, unable to really do what it should. But it's a two edged sword, since more toxicity means more stress and the less ability to actually detox.

I can usually tell when it's metal/mercury related, because of the kinds of symptoms. When you've suffered it for many years, you get to be familiar with it as Russ is and sadly for some of us that have already suffered many years (often a lifetime or near enough) of poisoning, we may not have the resistence that others may have and tend to be bowled over by it very easily/quickly and take ages to recover.

One guy I know who runs/moderates a mercury forum has become the same way. Hypersensitive and suseptible to exposure to toxins since the damage done by years of mercury toxicity. He too cannot enter a dental office without becoming very poisoned again. It's not overly common, but some of us are unfortunately like this. Also sometimes one thing leads to another if you've been ill for long enough. It's a dominoe effect at times and the more poisoned you, for long enough, the more you can wind up with multiple problems later for having a weakened/poisoned body and finding other things can then get in and remain there.

Removal of mercury does not always completely remove the possible damage it may have done.





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Hey Bex

Getting sick after seeing contrails/chemtrails shows correlation not causation, that’s what I’m trying to get at. The particle sizes they document on the website Russ pointed me at would take over 24 hours to fall 10000 ft, far longer in the case of the smallest particles they discussed so if they are high flying as the website also states Russ would have to have seen the ‘spraying’ 3 days ahead of the onset of his symptoms and given the speed of upper level winds probably over 5000 kilometres up wind. If they were ‘spraying’ lower then obviously the times and distances drop proportionately but they are still significant times. That said there’s obviously a link of some kind between Russ’s observation of the ‘spraying’ and his symptoms I just can’t work out what it is.

I’ve never looked into the amalgam fillings issue, I’ve only got two fillings, both amalgam, and I’ve never suffered from symptoms from them touch wood.

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I can only speak from my own experience, and in my experience, having watched the sky all of my life, I have never seen a persistent contrail. Never.

I watched the sky because I've always loved jets and rockets, even from childhood. Playing racquetball, whenever jets would fly over, I would stop and look up. Being by any window, I would do the same. I have spent more time looking at the sky than most ever will.

I have seen contrails (on television and in movies), and they are very rare. They are light and wispy and smooth in appearance. They dissipate in less then 5 seconds. This has been my consistent observation since childhood. They are so rare that you would be very lucky to see one, but I thought they were cool so I was always looking (yes, I'm a nerd at heart).

Chemtrails, on the other hand, have a turbulent appearance, as if they are composed of solids (aerosol).

Suddenly, in 2005, I began seeing enormous plumes descending on the city which would be followed (within 15 to 30 minutes) by my horrible symptoms; And Laura's as well. I would taste a salty-metallic flavor in the air.

After this continued for a long time, there was a 4 day break in which no chemtrails appeared. After the break, nearly all chemtrails following were much shorter, and the symptoms became more severe.

After living my entire life watching the sky, now, I can go into town most any time of the day and view 3 to 7 jets flying at the same time, all of them having short chemtrails. This is unprecedented.

Frankly, I have no problem believing this would happen. Having been a part-time political researcher since about 1990, I have uncovered enough information to realize that the real powers that now control all of the countries of the world—whose names you may not know -— have no conscience. None.

It's an easy conclusion for me to draw, in fact, it makes perfect sense, that mercury (and other toxins) have been knowingly given to us for decades for the profit certain medical and pharmaceutical industries.

Unfortunately for them, the awareness about mercury has skyrocketed in the past few years (thanks to the Internet, which is now suffering push-after-push for government-mandated censorship) and people have been getting amalgams removed and stopped taking vaccines in considerable numbers. With the decrease in vaccines and removal of some (not all) mercury from vaccines, we would expect to see a drop in autism rates -- for example -- and that would have been disastrous for the powers that be.

The only logical reaction they could have is to "force" us to be exposed to mercury, and this is exactly what they are doing. My symptoms that occur when the plumes appear match my amalgam-induced mercury symptoms almost perfectly, with a couple added symptoms that could easily be explained by the other toxins that have been found in chemtrails that don't exists in amalgams, like barium, lead, aluminum, and mycoplasma.

I am very aware that this kind of information is difficult for people to accept, but long hard research will lead us to a point of realization that chemtrails are nothing more than the next logical step in an long-ongoing campaign to reduce population and to increase profits for big pharma.

Finally, the Bible prophesied that the people living in the time shortly before the second coming of Christ would be deceived into accepting a new system of global government because the merchants of the world (bankers and international corporations) would practice global sorcery (translated from the Greek "pharmakia" to English; pharmacology).

Putting any toxic substance into your body is considered this practice and perfectly coincides with both the timing of the second coming (many indicators show that it is getting near) and the very nature of what mercury does to a person (depression, short attention span, short memory, fits of rage, brain fog, and much more).

So, I have to agree that it would be "nice" to have more evidence, but this evidence is really for those who do not understand the big picture.

And why do they not see the big picture?

Because up to now, they really didn't care much about understanding the big picture. The fact is, you can tell what is important to people by discovering what they are knowledgeable about.

It's critical to act. Don't wait for the crowd to catch up. If I had waited for doctors to figure out what was wrong with me before I put 2+2 together and concluded that my amalgam fillings were the cause of my 17+ physical symptoms and my numerous emotional fears, shyness, and depression, then I would still be working today to figure out what was wrong with me (if I had lived this long). Thank God I had the common sense to act on the symptomatic evidence that was right in front me. Those 4-1/2 years after my amalgam removal and before chemtrails began in our area were the best years of my life. I never knew someone could feel so good and strong, both physically and emotionally.

So, I'm grateful that after 17+ years of research I've pretty much got the big picture figured out.


"...for by your medication were all the nations deceived."—BIBLE

The Global Vaccine Agenda (video)

Vaccines, Mercury, and Autism (video)

Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007)


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Hi fellow aircraft nerd.

I’ve been an aircraft nut for more years than I can remember, my father worked for an airline so I grew up with the idea of flying and doing more than a little of it myself. I got to fly a simulator long before I learned to fly and I got to ride the jump seat once before they changed the rules (what a buzz that was). Today I’m still flying quite a lot so not much has changed though most of its as a passenger on commercial flights unfortunately. frown

I have some great memories and some great pictures of very long lasting contrails from the late 70’s when I got my first camera and I’ve got quite a few older shots from other people from the war era of long lasting chaotic turbulent contrails over the English channel and other areas of Europe from the earliest times that aircraft could reach the altitudes necessary to create them. Of course that’s not always very high, you can see ground level contrails in the arctic and Antarctic at times but over most of this planet you have to be up pretty high to create long lasting ones though moderately long lived turbulent contrails can be seen even at much lower levels in humid air.

I can’t understand why you didn’t see them if you were as avid a plane spotter as you seem, maybe you were just unlucky.

LOL but hey your one up on me if you’ve ever seen a rocket launch, apart from some jetX (sp?) models I’ve never actually seen anything rocket powered first hand. I’m jealous now.

I’ve seen contrails out the windows of commercial aircraft from other commercial aircraft flying opposite track to us, I’ve watched the small contrail streamers form on the flaps of my aircraft in humid air on approach and I’ve seen some amazing short lived contrails on jets pulling G’s at air shows. In one shot I took a few years ago these chaotic vortex streamers trail many plane lengths behind the aircraft as it enters the humid air near some low level cloud. The pattern was very clear, near the cloud, long clear contrails, away from the cloud, short or non existent contrails. I’ve even got a shot from WWII of long-lived contrail streamers trailing from the propeller tips of a bomber flight in humid air at high power settings. If you’ve only seen the short lived and high varieties you’ve missed out. I don’t know the US, did you live somewhere dry? That could account for this.

While I’ve often seen contrails over our cities and over the middle of no where (the Aussie outback) I’ve never experienced the symptoms you describe along with them. Maybe I’m lucky. Why would they waste enormous sums of money to dump this stuff over uninhabited land which is not even used for agriculture and so would never enter the human food chain? If they were trying to poison the food chain why not save the money and just drop this stuff from low altitude (much cheaper) at night when it wouldn’t be observed. Metals are long lived environmental pollutants so you don’t have to drop it constantly to get an effect.

The powers that be want autistic people? Why?

Your symptoms sound horrible but what I don’t get is how they can be related to contrails/chemtrails so soon after you see the planes given the time it would take for such minute particles as that website you sent me to described would take to fall to earth. Forget 15 minutes the particle sizes they documented would take days to fall from thirty thousand plus feet which is the altitude they claimed for chemtrail spraying.

The other problem I see with this idea, and it’s the one that started this thread, is the question of how you know what’s in the chemtrails. How do you sample them? The method described on that website basically collected wind blown dust so you’d get everything from truck exhaust, factory exhaust, dust from mining and agricultural lands as well as anything else that’s blowing in the wind mixed in with any chemtrail chemicals that were present at the time. How would you know what was chemtrail and what was from other sources? How could you rule out mining or factory exhaust or the multitude of other sources that we have created in our modern world as the sources for these chemicals? How would you know the airborne concentrations when you are measuring the concentrated dust from a long term sample?

Hey feel better man. CYA later

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If you’ve only seen the short lived and high varieties you’ve missed out. I don’t know the US, did you live somewhere dry? That could account for this.


I've watched countless WWII movies over the years and never saw contrails in them, except for the occasional 2-second wisp from a wing tip. It's clear to me that the massive propaganda machine is at work altering and adding to old clips. It's nor surprising. It's exactly what I would do if I was in their position. I've seen some of these clips lately, and they are clearly overcompensating. They are clearly propagandistic.

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Why would they waste enormous sums of money to dump this stuff over uninhabited land which is not even used for agriculture and so would never enter the human food chain?


Because chemtrails are not just about human intoxication. They are also about ionizing the atmosphere. This may be for underground mapping and other purposes all being accomplished in one program. I'm not sure because it's obviously a "secret" (HIPS-hiding in plain sight) operation.

See the sticky posts that I have in this forum regarding these patents, or you can do a Google search. The use of barium in th atmosphere has some amazing implications.

About the money, you need to realize that money is no object. The scope of this operation (global) demonstrates the enormous political power behind this. In fact, it is evidence of a centralized world power, just as predicted in the Bible. Only a world power would be able to control most nations of the world to participate in such a program.

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Metals are long lived environmental pollutants so you don’t have to drop it constantly to get an effect.


Yes they are, which is why we are now seeing so many soil tests come up with very high aluminum, barium, and other toxins.

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."
(Revelation 11:18)

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Forget 15 minutes the particle sizes they documented would take days to fall from thirty thousand plus feet which is the altitude they claimed for chemtrail spraying.


They are spraying low here, for the most part. I occasionally see them spraying high, but I can feel the intense sinus burn usually 15 to 30 minutes after they spray.

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The other problem I see with this idea, and it’s the one that started this thread, is the question of how you know what’s in the chemtrails. How do you sample them?


Simply because there should not be those kinds of levels in the atmosphere. When several tests have been done in different areas they are spraying, and we continually see these metals appearing "out of nowhere", we can start to draw some common sense conclusions.

Let us not forget common sense.


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If you’ve only seen the short lived and high varieties you’ve missed out. I don’t know the US, did you live somewhere dry? That could account for this.


I've watched countless WWII movies over the years and never saw contrails in them, except for the occasional 2-second wisp from a wing tip. It's clear to me that the massive propaganda machine is at work altering and adding to old clips. It's nor surprising. It's exactly what I would do if I was in their position. I've seen some of these clips lately, and they are clearly overcompensating. They are clearly propagandistic.

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Why would they waste enormous sums of money to dump this stuff over uninhabited land which is not even used for agriculture and so would never enter the human food chain?


Because chemtrails are not just about human intoxication. They are also about ionizing the atmosphere. This may be for underground mapping and other purposes all being accomplished in one program. I'm not sure because it's obviously a "secret" (HIPS-hiding in plain sight) operation.

See the sticky posts that I have in this forum regarding these patents, or you can do a Google search. The use of barium in th atmosphere has some amazing implications.

About the money, you need to realize that money is no object. The scope of this operation (global) demonstrates the enormous political power behind this. In fact, it is evidence of a centralized world power, just as predicted in the Bible. Only a world power would be able to control most nations of the world to participate in such a program.

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Metals are long lived environmental pollutants so you don’t have to drop it constantly to get an effect.


Yes they are, which is why we are now seeing so many soil tests come up with very high aluminum, barium, and other toxins.

"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth."
(Revelation 11:18)

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Forget 15 minutes the particle sizes they documented would take days to fall from thirty thousand plus feet which is the altitude they claimed for chemtrail spraying.


They are spraying low here, for the most part. I occasionally see them spraying high, but I can feel the intense sinus burn usually 15 to 30 minutes after they spray.

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The other problem I see with this idea, and it’s the one that started this thread, is the question of how you know what’s in the chemtrails. How do you sample them?


Simply because there should not be those kinds of levels in the atmosphere. When several tests have been done in different areas they are spraying, and we continually see these metals appearing "out of nowhere", we can start to draw some common sense conclusions.

Let us not forget common sense.


When you mentioned barium in the atmosphere bells went off. (HAARP). Sure enough, I typed in atmospheric barium and the second site ties in the HAARP. THIS IS REAL..... I have seen it and lived with it. If I have it right, the idea was conceived or begun in the 1950s. People in AK where it is, I don't believe, for the most part even know what is going on yet you can drive from Fairbanks to North Pole City and see the huge radar like "guns" along the highway. One of them was apparently aimed right across where I lived 6 years and I felt its affect quite literally. Forgive the repost, but there was a week that our microwave blew, (newly bought after the move), our new stereo system blew and the electronics in our van whigged out for no reason. We took the van in and there was nothing wrong with it. That very week it came out in the paper that they'd had to turn down the HAARP due to electronic interference. There were days I would feel agitated (from the HAARP) and go around town and everyone else would be as well. It had just started being used when we lived there. They use it to x-ray the earth as well as to try weather control and are trying to develop it as a weapon. I have seen confused geese..... (We use to live near "Creamer's Field" which is a farm dedicated to being a place for migrating birds). This is not something we should be messing with...but I'm afraid the chemtrails to me, now, make sense if the HAARP is part of its design. This couldn't be more "scientific." It is not something I want to believe....and I had a hard time believing they were literally just doing it to poison us - but now it makes sense.....

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Hi Russ,

I was reading about your problems with the atmospheric contaminants in Maine. I am sorry that you are suffering. You must be more sensitive to this than most people.

What do you do to combat the buildup of contaminants in your blood...chelation? What kinds of levels of heavy metals have your blood tests shown? Are the levels increasing or is your wearing a mask keeping the heavy metals and bacteria out of your system?

Has there been an increase in the deaths of wildlife and domestic animals in your area as a result of this increase in spraying? If not, do you think the military has found the right mix of chemicals to only affect humans?

What percentage of the deaths in Maine do you attribute to this campaign by our government?

Why do you think the increase in spraying has occurred in the northeast and not in the south or in California?


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What do you do to combat the buildup of contaminants in your blood...chelation?


I take sulfur-containing supplements and food that assist my body in eliminating mercury, which I believe is a prime component of chemtrails.

I also take a lot of magnesium to make sure that my body is eliminating efficiently.

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What kinds of levels of heavy metals have your blood tests shown?


Blood tests normally show low mercury unless a person has reached stage 3, at which time they are already dreadfully sick.

I had a hair test that showed a typical mercury toxic profile: Most minerals low, which is a condition called "derranged mineral transport" by Dr. Cutler (Hair Test Interpretation). Not surprisingly, aluminum was high: This is to be expected considering chemtrails contain aluminum. I am now taking malic acid (found in Fibralgia) to chelate aluminum.

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Are the levels increasing or is your wearing a mask keeping the heavy metals and bacteria out of your system?


Based on the visible activity combined with my (and Laura's) symptoms, the spraying intensity and frequency has increased. Again, not surprising considering that the U.S. Air Force recently purchased 400 new tankers. They currently have about 400 tankers, so this will double their inventory, except that they claim that the old ones will be replaced. We'll see.

The mask that I wear is whetted with chlorella which is high in sulfur. Since sulfur binds to mercury, I am hoping that some of the mercury is being blocked by the sulfur.

The mask helps tremendously. It stops the sinus pain about 80% (roughly, depending on other conditions) and when it's wet, it lowers the salty-metallic taste of the air (the mask covers my nose AND mouth). When the mask drys out, it still lowers sinus burn considerably but it does not stop the salty-metallic taste in the air as much.

I have tried using a wet washcloth without chlorella and found that it is effective against the salty-metallic taste, so I suspect the water binds to the particles causing this symptom.

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Has there been an increase in the deaths of wildlife and domestic animals in your area as a result of this increase in spraying?


I don't monitor these statistics, but I will tell you that shortly after I believe the spraying began in Jamestown, Laura's well-cared-for cat named Rusty died of some kind of cancer. Also, the neighbor's cat died with identical symptoms about the same time. Also, I know more people who have been diagnosed with (or have died of) cancer in the past 3 years than the entire rest of my life combined, including my mother, who lives in the heavily sprayed retirement area of New Port Richey, Florida.

Chemtrails contain mold spores and some have reported to find cancer-causing viruses. Of course, mercury does not immediately cause disease in most people. Normally, it accumulates over a period of time and then causes long-term degenerative diseases.

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What percentage of the deaths in Maine do you attribute to this campaign by our government?


This hints of a disingenuous question, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Nevertheless, the toxins that are being sprayed accumulate and/or cause diseases that are not attributed to the actual cause.

For example, a person could die of cancer that was induced by mercury (a known carcinogen), but that person will almost never be diagnosed with mercury poisoning.

I suspect that the correlation between deaths and chemtrails spraying is known by God only. Of course, the government's recent attempt to monitor illness using Google search statistics may be an attempt by them to monitor their progress.

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Why do you think the increase in spraying has occurred in the northeast and not in the south or in California?


I think the spraying is continuing in many area that people don't realize it is continuing in, because the chemtrails have been "improved" to be much shorter and to look more like contrails, so people don't notice them.

Nevertheless, contrails are very rare. I used to look for them throughout my life and would be lucky to see 3 or 4 per year. Now, nearly every jet I see flying has a contrail, and when I seem them, I also experience the severe sinus burn and salty-metallic taste in the air, not to mention the other numerous symptoms.

I have noted in previous posts that I counted 56 jets (some in formation) spewing short non-persistent chemtrails in 2 hours flying west toward Bangor. Bangor airport does not have much air traffic. I used to live in one of the most heavily-traveled air spaces in the world (Tampa Bay/St. Petersburg/Clearwater) spotting contrails and again, would be lucky to see 3 or 4 in a year's time.

Of course, as I've reported lately, I've spotted numerous jets, often in formation, flying in the opposite direction (east) away from Bangor after dark at nearly the same frequency.


For More Information

Phoenix Air Contamination:
http://www.rense.com/general82/chemit.htm

U.K. Government Admits Deadly Spraying (video)
http://urlbam.com/ha/iz

Local News Station Uncovers Barium in Chemtrails (video)
http://urlbam.com/ha/hz

Chemtrails In The Movies: Over The Hedge
http://herballure.com/citm/overthehedge

U.S. Law Allows Testing of Chemicals and Biologics on "Civilian Population"
http://herballure.com/humantesting

Vaccines and Medical Experiments on Children, Minorities, Woman and Inmates (1845 - 2007)
http://urlbam.com/ha/Zzz


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Oh no, ((( Smiles )))

Mercury and cancer..
I just ordered three books on nutrician and cancer.
By Blaylock, Quillin and Dalzell.
Just in case..
Stage three when it shows up in your blood.
It did in my childrens blood before chelateing and they
have autism.
But it's more then that recent exposures can be from the air.
They have already been mercury compromised so they don't naturally chelate it as much as store it up.
So thats like chelateing for years??
Though that will not fix everything even though some children with autism do get better with chelateing but there is no real cure.
Just possible improvement and how does that go for the more severe type of autism??
And even if I had theses fillings taken out I could still get sick or get even sicker from it too.
From the removal of them??
And then I would have to chelate for years as the talking about ALA on another thread..
I give that to my kids to at times now.
And what if they finally ban supplements like they have been trying to do before.
It's not easy is it.

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Let's just make sure we don't let them ban supplements.


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