Originally Posted by Russ
Honestly guys, if you want to continue believing that rocks (or even simple cells) become humans over time, you are free to do that, for now.

There will come a time when this belief will be laughed at.
There will come a time when Christianity will be laughed at...it says so in the Bible. Does this mean that Christianity is not the truth?

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Note that I'm not attempting to present evidence in this statement.
Nothing new about that!!

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The evidence for my position is self evident. The mathematics for your position is truly absurd.
Yet despite multiple requests for you to actually present the mathematics, you have not done it. I know, I've studied all your posts in this topic.
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To deny that is an act of intellectual dishonesty.
Of course those who don't agree with you, are liars.

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In short, for those who missed it, if harmful mutations outnumber beneficial ones 1,000,000 to 1 (a conservative number), then where are all these mutated fossils? Whey don't they massively outnumber "normal" ones?
Most harmful mutations result in unhatched eggs or miscarriages...not much to leave. That is assuming that your statement about the ratio of harmful to beneficial mutations is correct. Might help if you provided some kind of reference for those figures.

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But look at the two fundamental problems with that (without an agenda).

First, how much time would that require? You literally have millions of bad mutations occur before a "beneficial" one does, and then you have to hope that the beneficial one lives to pass it on, which obviously would not happen in every instance. So the time factor become enormous (that is, even if evolution could occur at all).

So you say. Do you know how many mutations occur in each generation of....say...humans? How can you determine if too much time is needed if you have no idea of the mutation rates within species?

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The anti-error mechanisms that exist to prevent mutations are contradictory to this system as well.
In what way are they contradictory? What, exactly, are these anti-error mechanisms that allow "1,000,000" harmful mutations to every mutation that allows the organism to live? Doesn't seem very "anti-error" to me.

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Second, there should still be a huge number of mutated fossils. Huge! But, where are they?
Why should there be? Harmful mutations kill unborn and infant organisms most. Very few organisms with harmful mutations live long enough to reach maturity.

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These problems are so basic and so fundamental that they are self evident. You can attempt to explain them away all you like, but they are still standing there glaring us in the face.
They're only staring at those of you who don't bother to research anything beyond the I-hate-evolution websites.


A faith that connot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets. -- Arthur C. Clarke