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You are lying about the nature of my responses. That is not allowed here.

I will tell you again, but this may be the last time.

Good one Russ, threats, especially veiled ones, work well with me!! LOL. Now don’t you think you might be better to rebut what I have said, if it is false, with evidence to the contrary. I can find any number of unstubstantive posts from you which basically say “this is the truth and anyone who doesn’t agree is foolish” and “I know this is the truth because I’ve done my homework” or there are innumerable “Hey watch this video” posts but I struggle to remember one substantive post from you Russ T. I of course stand to be corrected if you can. Maybe we need to do a count back and look at your posts for substance as opposed to blather to settle this question.

The Bible does not contradict solid evidence. The fact is, much of the information that you have been fed as being "solid" evidence has been contrived in one manner or another.

I guess we’ll have to agree to disagree on that point, there is so much solid evidence that clearly shows that the creation order given in genesis (as just one of so many examples of error in the bible) is wrong, it is wrong in the order of creation of the universe and the solar system and it is wrong in the order given for the creation of life on this planet. Need I go on?

I spent most of my life examining things more deeply than most, and as you look into a single matter of science, you surprisingly-often find a stack of lies, expertly contrived in just such a way to control your conclusions, and this, to the profit of somebody somewhere.

Yes I know I know, you’ve done your homework. You conclusions contradict the findings of the vast majority of the best minds on this planet but you’ve done your homework so they must all be wrong. You are sounding paranoid again Russ T. Not wishing to insult you but if you were a relative of mine I’d be counselling you to seek help at this point.

From the movies made about evolution to the "science" behind it, it is all based on huge, ridiculous assumptions and even much outright fraud.

And where is the ridiculous assumption? You’ve pointed out several of the flaws you see in ToE but they all, without exception, turn out to be problems with Rustolution which I have to agree is ridiculous. Are you aware of even one real flaw in the real theory of evolution? Just one?

The denial of informational conspiracies in the information age is the faith of the fantastically naive.

Oh no don’t get me wrong I’m sure there are conspiracies all over the place but I doubt there are any as all encompassing and deeply rooted as you are suggesting here, lets face it keeping such a conspiracy, given that it includes literally hundreds of thousands of people, quiet for what is it 150 years so far if not more seems improbable in the extreme. The US government has failed dismally to keep far smaller secrets from escaping so the evidence is not on your side.






I do not debunk evolution because I am a Christian. I debunk it because it makes science look bad, and I love science.

I am a Christian for the following reasons:

(1) Bible prophecy

Yes interesting point, prophecy would be good evidence for the veracity of the bible but it has to do a number of things to be acceptable evidence to a rational person. And it does not.
It has to be demonstrably written before the event prophecied
It has to be clear, explicit and precise.
It has to be fulfilled outside the book that made the prediction
Are you aware of any bible prophecy that is all of these things?

(2) Bible gematria

(3) Other Bible evidence, such as archeology

Archaeology proves that the bible is a product of it’s time which is hardly in dispute it does not support the existence of a god/man named jesus. You could find exactly the same sort of supporting evidence for any number of historical and contemporary works of fiction.



I have no emotional agenda when studying the Bible. My only interest is truth.

I don’t know you from a bar of soap Russ T but I very much doubt this. I would suggest that you are deluding yourself here much as you continually accuse me of doing.

I may be at an advantage over many because I build things, and have for a long time.

Particularly when you consider complex things, like embedded systems (small standalone computer systems) like the ones I used to design and build.

Making all of the parts of a complex system come together and work is a hard thing to do.

Complex embedded systems are a great example of the fallacy of the impossibility of ToE to create complexity because we can today use evolutionary algorithms to program such systems and to create code that humans could not have written using features of the chips that were not designed to be there and were not known off till the evolutionary algorithms discovered them. You see ToE works in biological systems (we’ve observed this) and in software/hardware of our design.

I’m not sure your experience in this area helps you understand this unless you have worked on such algorithms, if you have not you were working in an environment that purposefully excluded the variation of mutation and had no equivalent of natural selection. Without these you are like a plumber who says that he understands heart surgery because it’s all about tubes and fluids.





So again I say, there is big difference between reading the Bible twice and "getting it"; A big difference.

LOL of course there is but then there is a very common problem with people who believe the bible, few read it and those who do virtually all have an agenda. Mine was that I wanted to understand it, to gain more from it on my own that I was getting from my classes, what I found was that my preconceptions about the bible were wrong, it was not god’s truth but a flawed work of man. That was the last thing I expected when I started studying it but that is that I found.




When you are asked to put a tattoo on your hand for the purpose of conducting commerce, remember this conversation.

LOL yes I’ve heard that one too. What can I say Russ T but from this side of the fence that makes you sound really paranoid if not actually delusional. No offence intended.


Evolution is a social control. If you believe it, you are controlled.

Another Russ T mantra but again, can you prove it? Can you provide any real evidence for this statement?

In Reason

Russell

Sorry no time to proof it, they just called my flight. Heading from the tropics into the red center of this country for a few days. CYA soon.