No, I don't hear anything you write but I can read it just fine.

I am not 'letting off' Britney or Madonna.. but since I did not toss those names into this conversation... maybe Jeanie can explain why she sees their behavior as being any different, or worse, than the people she props up as idols. Because truth be told, their behavior is actually much better than their predecessors that Jeanie proclaims she ran after for half her life. You cannot just say 'oh but look at Britney Spears' as a distraction from whatever we were talking about previously. I imagine your mother was much more aghast at the fact that you idolized the likes of Jimmy Page..and found you running behind certain other people like a groupie... than most mothers are at the fact that their daughter might try to emulate Britney Spears. Britney Spears is only a damaged product of the culture and lifestyle that fed you, feeds you, and which you gloat so lovingly about still. She is simply being 'bad' because that is the example her role models and idols have set before her.

Led Zeppelin writes mostly love songs? It's news to me. Led Zeppelin was the music of choice for every pot party and beer blast I ever attended as a teenager. I do not recall ever hearing Led zeppelin at a wedding. Far as I could ever tell Led Zeppelin was about getting as stoned and drunk as possible and crawling around in vomit. And the band set a fine example of it themselves. They are the granddaddies of heavy metal, not romance and love. I think if you check the catalog http://www.amazon.com/Led-Zeppelin/dp/B000002IQ1#moreAboutThisProduct you'll find more songs about unemotional sex and leaving than staying and being dazed and confused. But maybe that's love to you.

You can try to say 'these people have grown up' or they have changed all you like but the fact that they still earn royalties from the music that influences so much bad behavior tells me that they are still rely heavily on being the 'bad boys' of rock and roll to maintain their lifestyles. It's not possible to forgive someone while they are still in the act of doing the thing you claim they should be forgiven for. And likewise I do not recall any of them ever requesting or requiring my, or anyone's, forgiveness.