Impose our morality? are you aware that it doesn't stem from us, but Christ??? What part of morality that we preach, that Christ has not? Give me an example of a "moral code" that we've made up.
You use the work "we" as if I included you as one of the people I was talking about. This does not have anything to do with what Christ said to do or didn't say to do.
Are you lobbying your political leaders to make homosexual conduct illegal? Are you trying to influence your lawmakers to
require Christian prayer in your public schools? The people I was referring to certainly are doing those things. My disagreeing with the actions of particular Christians does not mean I disagree with the beliefs of all Christians. I doubt that you agree with all the tactics used by some Christians to influence others.
Now since you've stated this, I notice that you fail to mention the world imposing their secular sinful lifestyles upon the rest of us via media, magazine, newspaper, lifestyle everywhere etc. Since we are not forced to read it, we can choose. You can do the same, as can anybody in the end. But I'd say you rely on a good deal of morality, as most people do for the guarding of their own lives.
I am happy that you mitigated your statement with the realization that you can choose your morality despite the morality of those around you. You will note that the purveyors of this sinful lifestyle don't try to make it a law for you to participate in their lifestyle. The people I was referring to, are trying to make laws to force people to live by their moral code.
It's just certain "aspects" of it that you would wish was left out because..? So most would like a smorgus board morality. One of their own choosing. Well, they already do Linear. You'll note most people live according to how they wish, which is mostly against God's moral code in the bible anyway. So where is the imposing? Since they don't seem to be in chains to me or forced to view the bible or religious televison, things have never been freer and if what you say is true? Then perhaps things should be better and happier than ever, yet this is not what we are seeing at all. You behave as though it's "FREE" when one is living how they wish against the moral codes Christ pointed out. Do you realise that truth and holiness are what sets a person free. You talk about being Christian, yet you contradict it continually. [quote]Yes I do realize that following Christ sets you free. Imposing the following of Christ's moral code by the rule of law does not make converts. If anything it drives them away.
[quote]In fact, most TV and media is secular. So I could claim it's imposing it on us...how come you see morality as imposing, and secular sinful "free" lifestyles as.....not imposing?
Because you cannot be jailed, fined or have some rights taken away for refusing to participate in their sinful lifestyle.
See, I can turn this around as much as you do. Since nobody is FORCED to accept either. We have a choice and we can choose to vote for those that stand for Christ, or those that are worldly and do not care for the morality Christ pointed out.
There are such things as rights for individuals in my country. The right to believe whatever you wish to believe is a basic one. To punish someone for acting under their particular morality and is not violating the rights of another person, is wrong.
Time and time again on here, I see you claim one thing, yet you speak against it and seem resentful and irritated by it. If it really annoys you and you feel nobody has a right to impose anything, then you also do not have a right to impose your liberal views on me either.
My voicing or writing my "liberal views" is not imposing them on you.
Of course, you'll claim you're not but just giving an opinion. See how the "imposing" word is used by you where and when it suits. Yet the Christ you claim to believe in, set out those moral codes for our own good and for the RELEASE of sin (which is imposing). Sin itself does not liberate anybody Linear and living according to God's laws does not enslave anybody.
I never said sin liberates anyone. Christ set those moral codes but never forced anyone to obey them. Why should I support legislation that forces others to act as if they believe as I do? Forcing people to go to church doesn't save them and forcing people obey strictly Christian moral codes doesn't make the want to be Christians.
if this is what you believe, that how can you then claim you follow Christ who pointed these things out in the bible?
Because Christ stated that the law doesn't save you. He loved and showed compassion to people who weren't moral and then taught them to live morally. He even stated that it is the thoughts that must be brought under control. If you even want to do something wrong then you have already sinned.
How is telling people people they are repugnant supposed to show love? Do you expect that someone you have tried to hurt (from their point of view) will come running to
your beliefs if they need help?
I have heard people in my own church state that they don't care if those people come running to Christianity in a time of crisis. Now, how can that type of attitude be considered Christ-like? Doesn't that violate the Great Commission?
I am not claiming that these are things you, Bex, do. However, this is the attitude I see in most of the people who support laws that require a Christian moral code to be followed.
BTW: Don't conflate this to mean I am against laws that prevent the violation of other peoples rights...ie murder, rape....etc.
