This is good basic information, RAZD. Thanks.

Part of the idea is also to characterise us as fanatics who have some sort of religious need to propagate our beliefs. I think this is often a case of the pot calling the kettle black. However, as the vast majority of people understand, all we do is look at objective evidence and follow where it leads. You can tell them that you're about as religious regarding evolution as you are regarding gravity but to them it's all lies. I guess I'm here because I'm trying to understand this mindset but what I find is that if you're determined to deny reality in order to hold on to a cherished belief, ain't no one gonna tell you otherwise until you are prepared to listen.

My sister-in-law the geologist was visiting today. I believe you said your father is a biologist? It seems that evolutionists here know about science themselves to various degrees and also have friends/relatives/acquaintances who do science. We know darn well that these people aren't part of some evil conspiracy. I guess it's easier to continue to deny reality if you don't know any of the people you are accusing of evilly hiding the "truth" from everyone.

However, I don't foresee any end or closure to the discussions here. CTD will laugh at everybody and fail to provide evidence for his own position as long as he has the time and the desire to do so and he seems to have both in spades. If you think you're going to get anywhere with that then feel free. Personally I find it wearing to watch people going round in circles here. Witness Russ T's posts for example, continuing to repeat the same fallacies as if he hasn't read any of the posts pointing out the errors (which perhaps he hasn't).