Hey GDawson,

I finally heard from Andy. Sorry it took so long on my end. I've been working full time lately.

It's written in his normal style and not sure why he does think its a bad idea, but you may want to check out his website. I kind of expected his response. (And I'm afraid I do trust him....) I wanted to use R-ALA a few years back which he also warned me off of. Normally I'm personally more experimental, but when it comes to mercury....afraid to take chances. His email might actually be public somewhere, but I'll give it to you privately if you want..... His replies are short and sweet cause he helps so many people. The forums repeat the same info over and over so get pretty "short" too. Let me know how you decide and do, ok? Be careful.... I'd even say pray about it.

Quote: (Jeanie) Andy, I haven't been around forever, but found my way a few months ago back onto a mercury (etc.) forum. One guy on there is wondering if its safe to chelate for 12 hours on and 12 off with ALA. He says he's doing better with doing it. What do you think of that?


Quote: (Andy) That it is a very bad idea and nobody should do it.

Andy
www.noamalgam.com

His reasoning for saying no is probably because you could get nasty redistribution if you did ALA like that. You have to be VERY careful with ALA because it could in theory take mercury back into the brain.

He has seen damage from wrong use of ALA - irreversible damage. THe only method he feels is safe, is the every 3 hour routine because he's worked closely with mercury toxic patients and studied this for many years and understands the way mercury works. If a person goes outside of this protocol and does it their own way or some other way? Then that is their business. But they need to know the risks involved and that some of those risks may wind up cause irreversible worsening....(so I've heard).

There are people who have actually BLAMED andy, when they have deviated from his protocol and wound up worse. Seriously, it's happened more than once to him. He's had to deal with some very very difficult individuals. NO surprise, poisoned people can be so hard to help and hard to heal. Irrational, unable to take in detail properly, memory issues, anger problems, persecution complexes, feelings of doom, procrastination and sometimes so sick, some take to bed and can barely even manage to help themselves.

It's a terrible toxin and hard to remove. But the way it works on a person's mind and personality is also at times, devastating. He's really had them all! And I have seen it on a forum he was on when a person tried to blame him when things went wrong, yet wasn't even following the protocol. They either screwed up the timing. Or they were doing their own timing. Or they started using ALA too early (when it's not meant to be used until 3 months or more post amalgam removal or any other mercury exposure).

Not sure if it's a case of them not being able to follow instructions, or refusing to and then when backfire happens, they are angry so they have to blame someone. I think it's rewarding what he's doing, but not easy. He even said that there are some patients so poisoned, he cannot even get through to them or help them.

Most I've met have been amazingly sane with this stuff, even if they FEEL insane or have insane thoughts. Sadly some have wound up in mental institutions, but honestly this stuff can cause pscyho symptoms and these people may not even know what the problem is, or the people around them don't know or don't know how to help them or won't. To think how many times I could have gone there! Many many close calls.

Ya...I don't understand the reason why 12 hours of 30mg every 3 hours would cause redistribution in most...it wouldn't lift up that much mercury so it theoretically shouldn't take that long to get rid of after you stop taking the ALA...Considering you lift up a lot more mercury when doing the 4 days of ALA.

But the thing is, after reading...some have gotten worse after trying to take nights off, and they could have done various things...such as taking more during the day to make up for nights...So hes just not recommending it because he has consistently gotten good results from the 4 days on 3 days off.

Some even have bad results taking it exactly the way he recommends though...

I guess its all about knowing your body and never trying to go too fast...Andy is also against Infrared saunas and said they made somebody permanently worse, and I personally have used one over 50 times and think they have made me much better.

Its a tough call. I can certainly understand Andy's insistence to stick to what he knows to work...hes definitely wading in sensitive waters dealing with so many sick people.

Oh...and thanks Jeanie! I appreciate you asking about this.

You're welcome!

gdawson6, I personally would never go against the protocol. ALA can be powerful stuff and I don't think it's something to go experimenting with unless you are willing to accept the possible consequences. The fact that Dr. Cutler has seen someone get worse with an infrared sauna is enough for me to rule them out. The thought of sitting in a sauna actually scare the living crap out of me. I'd probably lose consciousness.

@Bex I agree with your entire post.

I agree on this fully, if you can't do it to perfection then don't do it at all. There are several thing I would do before Andy's protocal, I would make sure all teeth are out as far as metal goes from beneath and so on, to play around with it and not do it right seems it could mess you up for LIFE! I am talking a life full of damage if you don't do it right correct? I have read things like that before, detoxing wrong with Mercury is very dangerous and nothing to play with. I stopped Cilantro after two weeks and even Chlorella now. I would rather get minerals in me to detox now from Selenium to Zinc before I did this and Algin too!!!! I would not try this right now personally, his detox just scares me for some reason, what if I have a tooth underneath still? I take his detox plan and blow half my brain out for LIFE! Thats a snall reward and high price to pay.

It is wise to follow his protocol as recommend if your using chelators...but because he could never give me a reason not to use infrared saunas besides one person he knew got permanently worse I couldn't take that as sound advice...especially after already using the infrared sauna dozens of times and feeling that it did help.

I can't quite figure out how infrared saunas would make a person permanently worse....whoever Andy is talking about, may have become MUCH worse after its use, because they brought forth too much mercury that was in tight storage. That can occur and some can be ill for months or even years after. Because the dumping of mercury is going to happen anyway and when the dumping starts, unless there is active chelation, the person is going to feel MUCH worse and long term too.

I wonder if that's what Andy is referring to. Once you erupt enough mercury, you can be so ill that you can be almost bedridden. Stored mercury aint fun, erupted dumping mercury isn't either. Which is worse? Perhaps the dumping....yet at least it means it's coming back out. However, the symptoms are not suppressed (unless frequent chelation suppresses them and not everybdy has that happen).

I have heard of a person using the product NDF and doing ok, until oneday it just erupted too much mercury and perhaps caused redistribution and she was bedridden from them on for a LONGGGGG time. Very ill, but slowly coming right apparently. NDF was blamed....however, again, this is what also happens when something triggers an eruption of stored mercury (even the natural dumping stage itself can do the same).

So I'm just not sure whether his statement of permanently worse can be applied in every case, since for me? Once I started dumping stored mercury I DID get (what I thought) was permanently worse. Yet it was only the storage erupting out into my system and making me permanently symptomatic until enough of that mercury had been removed.

Until that happens? You will often be beseiged by symptoms because as soon as you clear some of that mercury? More is building up in you from leaking out of the storage areas. So it's ONGOING (roller coaster ride as some describe it). A DMPS IV triggered it to REALLY break forth in me as it erupted a massive storage of it and I was as sick as a dog. Yet before that? I could feel that it was leaking out slowly, and I was very sickly but the DMPS just brought it forth like some kind of explosion.

And I was pretty much living a nightmare after that Of putting up with mercury then coming out onto my skin when I heated up. I'd cry, salivate, yell etc. My body was forced now into excreting what the DMPS had erupted out of storage. Not fun, but it did really start it off. And that's when I had a couple of years or so of misery as the mercury was coming out of me almost daily.

When you've had mercury building up in your system from many years of amalgams? Then it's not surprising that a person has years of storage and may take a few years to reduce it enough to start feeling relatively human again. I don't know about permanent damage, but I can see how long term worsening can occur for sure.

Permanent damage I think is from organ damage and I really do not know how common that is. The body has amazing repair ability if given time and good food etc, but there maybe some cases of it happening and would that eventually come right?

However, years of mercury poisoning in itself may cause some permanent damage in some people - it's possible. Even when I reduced the mercury and felt so much better, I always had to be somewhat careful on the diet. Which might have been because there was still some remaining mercury, OR my immune system was just not quite the same from a lifetime of poisoning....

What matters is that how much mercury you lift up in a *time unit*. Remember that althought *total* ALA taken throughout a 3 day cycle is greater than that taken throughout a 12h cycle in former case it is spread throughout a 3 day time frame, during wich the metals keep moving and are being (hopefully) excreted and not settling. So bascially if u end a 12h cycle or a 3 day cycle of the same dose of ALA, the *same* amount settles.
Now in the *LONG RUN* you will have more (often) redistribution from shorter rounds than from longer rounds say 3 3-day day rounds in 3 weeks (3 redistributions) vs. 18! 12h-rounds in 3 weeks (18 redistributions!) which equals 6 times more damage, cause each time mercury settles it causes damage.

Yes after reading many of Andy's archived posts I have to say it is very important to chelate for the recommended amount of time without any breaks. It is even good to chelate for longer than 3 days if you can handle it...as Jinx said every time you stop there will be damage from redistribution.

I recently finished my first 3 day ALA session 2 days ago with 30 mg every 3 hours. The symptoms afterward were not that bad...my head feels a little strange but not in a bad way.

I also talked to Andy about infrared saunas. Apparently some of the cheaper ones heat the body very unevenly (meaning most of the heat will be heating up only a small portion of the body) which he says isn't good physiologically, and that many people will have adverse effects because of that. He doesn't think infrared saunas themselves are bad...

I'm glad that everything got sorted out! Hopefully we can all start to get better.