Thanks, LindaLou,

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I've been very interested to read the information you've provided but it is utterly wasted here. CTD is never going to change his point of view and I don't expect there are many "lurkers" to enlighten.
I don't think CTD consciously understands when he is (so frequently) wrong, that it is part and parcel of the denial of reality necessary to hold views that are contradicted by reality.

But I think you underestimate the lurkers, as there is no evidence that they are all fundamentalist inerrant biblical believers. There are people that have been misinformed by people and by schools, but that are willing to learn. Look at Jeanie. Look at debates with Bex. Some of the people are willing to consider these concepts and test them in their own perceptions.

Those that cannot change, like CTD, just become a foil, like the hypothetical (straw man) opponent used in philosophical discourse, and thus an opportunity to investigate and talk about reality.

Enjoy.