Originally Posted by Russell2
Hi CTD

“Change is the result of the process of change.”

So what you are saying is that you believe is that ToE = Change?
This is actually funny in more than one way.

One of RAZD's sources
http://rationalrevolution.net/articles/understanding_evolution.htm#Science_vs._Religion ,
(an atheist propaganda site) says
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Evolution itself is simply the process of change over time.

It is also funny that R2 demonstrates bait & switch so openly, for hope of such trivial gain.

Watch how he tries to switch terms.
Originally Posted by Russell2
Evolution is the changes from generation to generation produced by the process of evolution.
When called on this, he responds
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So what you are saying is that you believe is that ToE = Change?
Does evolution = ToE? Are these synonyms? Or is this bait & switch? (and playing as if I said it, if you didn't notice.)

The reader can find out by simply reading more of the post
Originally Posted by Russell2
That could explain so many of your problems with getting it CTD. ToE explains change but it is not change itself. ToE also explains the lack of change in some species (Sharks or Crocodiles for example) so ToE = Change is wrong.
Classic stuff, huh? All for the "gain" of pretending to have outsmarted me on this point. I can surely be outsmarted, but it usually takes a better than this!

Originally Posted by Russell2
Or maybe I didn’t spell out what I meant clearly enough so let me try explain for those who have problems with my wording.

The observed fact of Evolution is the changes from generation to generation produced by the process described in the theory of evolution.
That's funny too. What process is "described by the theory of evolution"? We can all guess, or we can hold our breath for resolution.

Even when he sees the jig is up, he does no better. This trick is no better than the first.
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Does that make that one sentence more clear? Can you see now why suggesting that ToE = Change is foolish CTD? Or do you still hold this particular missconception as Russ appears still to do?
Putting his own junk off on Russ T. R2 is the one who switched terms, not RT.

But I think we all can form a clear conclusion about what's going on...

For any who were taken in by this, even briefly, you might want to brush up on your evolutionology. This is one of the most common practices one encounters these days. It is an attempt to profit while retreating from realistic definitions of 'evolution' and the "theory(ies)" they preach as fact. "Oh you're stupid/ignorant/out-of-date because you don't buy the new definitions". But evolution = change is part of the new definition group.


Dark Matter + Dark Energy = Dark Truth

"We find that such evidence demonstrates that the ID argument is dependent upon setting a scientifically unreasonable burden of proof for the theory of evolution." - Judge Jones Kitzmiller case
http://www.talkreason.org/articles/Falsify.cfm

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