Hi Jeanie

We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam’s transgression.

Yes I understand that, the bible even states it clearly but it shows by gods actions that this is not the case and it also states that god will visit the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation. Exodus 20:5

Like so much in the bible you can find passages to support almost any view.

Jeanie: Stated that way, I see your point.

I’m relieved to hear that.

But its not how it was.... But neither is he going to throw us into a vat of fire, either. (Literally).

I guess that is open to interpretation though I think you'll find that my view is indeed the gist of the story if your boil it right down. I for one agree, I don’t believe he’ll throw me in a vat of fire any more than santa is going to give me coal this year if I’m naughty.

I'm kind of curious what has made you so bitter toward God.

LOL I’m no more bitter towards your god than I am towards Thor or Zeus or Santa Claus. It’s hard to be bitter towards the non existent IMHO. I just don’t get how people can be comfortable following a book that describes such an abhorrent and immoral view of the world as the bible describes. It intrigues me and worries me when such people hold great power. Look at the potential human disaster that awaits us if world leaders believe as Russ T does that we don’t have to worry about overpopulation because god will save us in time. Just imagine this world in 100 years time if our leaders act on that and they are wrong!!! That’s really scary especially when I see very good reason to suspect that they are wrong.

In reason

Russell