Russ: That's exactly what "the fall" was: Angels "following" satan in his own "fall". That's why they are called "fallen".)

Jeanie: Not quite exact....Adam and Eve were not angels. They were man and woman. At the time in the garden they were immortal beings so I guess by that you mean angel? But they became mortal upon their fall and it was not in any way equal to lucifer's fall. Lucifer was cast out of heaven for open rebellion against God with no chance of redemption and he was denied the chance to receive a body. Adam and Eve were our first parents which is, actually, a very noble calling! All part of the plan. They ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil against God's warning because God did want them to CHOOSE and KNOW what they were accepting for their lives in partaking. It opened their eyes and caused them to become human at which time blood started coursing through their veins. God warned them what would happen but it WAS part of the plan and intended to happen so that we could all, then, come to earth and prove ourselves. There was a purpose behind it and knowing that adds perspective to understanding the Plan of Salvation. Its not quite as bleak as you make it sound. I agree with most of how you interpret things....and believe you are led of God overall or in some things. I know you do mean well, Russ. I'm not "tickling" Pwcca's ears, either. He is a good, sweet man. We are not his judges. And you certainly are not mine. I would suggest you stick to truth, though, and lay aside the arrogant attitude you have of telling everyone else where they are wrong and the manner in which you do it.

I just watched The Guardian. Great story. I understand that you feel you have a mission here. (The movie reminded me of you a little). You may mean well and I'm sure you do. But you are not always right... nor are you in any kind of position of authority other than owning this forum.