Originally Posted by RAZD
This bat is one of those along the "line up of transitional fossils for the bat evolution senario" whether there are earlier fossils or not.
Some of us aren't imagining the rest of the line up. We understand that if evolutionism was right, the rest should be found, and before you say I don't understand, you might check what what evolutionists themselves have said, including yourself.

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Originally Posted by BEX
let alone the millions of others.
And yet I believe each post I have made, including this one, on this thread has introduced one set of many instances of intermediate varieties on a transitional sequence, many of them number in the hundreds, some in the thousands and some numbering in the millions.
I doubted very much your claims about presenting millions. I didn't recall seeing such, and when Bex didn't recall it either, it firmed up my confidence. Then it occurred to me that my "find" feature's getting rusty.

Finding for "million" in the thread yielded no actual series or group of a million or more, but it did lead me to Post #42015
Originally Posted by RAZD
Millions of years of millions of fossils of "intermediate variations" (to use Darwin's words again) showing the transition of life from one form to another. Once again we see the pattern of common ancestry, a pattern that is repeated in the fossil record again and again.
RAZD just up & says this fairly abruptly. It appears to refer to the Foraminifera.

The link says
Originally Posted by RAZD's link
Counting both living and extinct animals, about 330 species of planktonic forams have been classified so far, Arnold said.
Now it could be RAZD has confused himself, and thinks that up & saying there are millions of transitionals makes it so. Or it could be we have another case of RAZD's math.

I have to be honest and say I don't know for sure what's going on. But while checking the link for any hint of "millions" (as if anyone could closely examine a million fossils and make a case for each one!) I found them saying some interesting things
Originally Posted by RAZD's link
Like a fly that won't shoo away, the question has bugged believers in evolution since well before Charles Darwin outlined the basic theory in Origin of Species in 1859.

If animals gradually change their shapes through time, perpetually giving birth to new species, then where are the fossil remains of transitional animals -- those unfortunate creatures that had to have existed during the demise of outmoded species and before the establishment of new ones? Where are all the "missing links" that, if the theory holds, should be abundant in the fossil record?
Where indeed! While it may be quite an feather in the cap to finally discover such an holy grail after all this time, it doesn't solve the mystery of the millions of missing grails.

There's more
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So the question is with us still, to the delight of creationists and other critics of Darwinism who depend on the hazy fossil trail to bolster their arguments.
Not accurate. It would be a mistake to rely upon the lack of "transitionals". Over 99.9% of them were missing from the get-go, and this didn't stop folks from filling in the vast void with their own imagination.

The fact is, Darwinists were confident they could find some fossils and invent stories about them; just as easily as RAZD linked the eohippus to both dog an horse. You don't have to deal with the whole critter; you can "reconstruct" whatever you please from a tooth or a few bones.

Historically, there was also a desire to make Darwinism distinct from versions of evolution which involved species randomly springing up any time any place. Some thought spontaneous generation was common; while Darwinists thought it rare, even claiming a single event (although this claim is window dressing/distraction). Huxley argued both sides of this non-issue.

So the prediction was incorporated, as a means of making evolutionism appear more scientific. They had no expectation they'd be called on this failed prediction, since Darwin listed excuse after excuse right up front. But anyone - not just creationists - does well to point out the facts.

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"We've literally seen hundreds of speciation events," Arnold added.
Someone doesn't know what literal means. When propagandizing, not everyone's concerned about accuracy. The reporter should've caught this even if the "scientist" in question was ignorant.

The article is almost entirely hype. I found conclusions and opinions, but nary a thing in the way of evidence. Toward the end, I noticed
Originally Posted by RAZD's link
And in point of fact, in the hands of less scrupulous observers the foram record may have been construed to support Gould's hypothesis about the suddenness of speciation. Darwin would have been shocked to find out just how fast the great family of forams churns out new species, said Parker.
Isn't it lucky for us we have this team to interpret the evidence! That the record readily lends itself to a "sudden speciation" interpretation is quite the dangerous coincidence. Dodged a serious bullet there, eh? Just think what a creationist would say if he knew this!

Originally Posted by RAZD
So if you are going to take the stance that these are not intermediate varieties then you are going to have to go back and read the information on each one and then detail why it is not an intermediate variety.
Classic argument-from-spam. The burden of proof is on the spamee, eh?

And it ain't like he'd bat :halloweenbat: an eye if he saw it done (many a "transitional" has already been thoroughly debunked already).


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