Hi RAZD,



Whatever calculations you discuss with Russ or CTD, were not with myself. Please in future, address those particular arguments with the people making them. It makes it a lot easier.



The indepth studies, mathematically and chemically are not my field. I would require time and study to be able to start a more informed debate with you. My arguments are coming from a layperson's position, but also from observation and faith too. Surely a layperson can also ask questions and argue from a standpoint of design? Since your arguments here do not necessarily cancel that either. I simply don't believe or agree that in random chance having a role in this.



I didn't design the argument. I asked you to consider the dice itself, which moved your argument into an area you evidentally didn't want to go.

Interesting that you believe in a created universe RAZD. I must say, that has really surprised me.....

So you feel that the source of that power that you have admitted here is responsible for giving the beginnings of the universe? If it created the conditions, it would also have required the materials for the conditions do anything with. Can any conditions bring forth non existence into existence? So the raw materials at the very least were required. In fact, we cannot really fathom what must have been required for such wonders, as we are always learning more and are limited in our understanding. How do you explain the animation of life itself? The breathe of life, by a process, rather than reflecting the author/animator/artist's genius? I admire the creation around me and at times am in awe of it and can't help but think of the genius behind it.


RAZD, this has NOTHING to do with CTD, or your debates and issues with him. I clearly recall you using contemptuous, though short statements regarding the "god did it" explanation (as I remember you referred to it) towards creationists. Perhaps this means I have the unfortunate task of having to hunt a needle in a haystack to retrieve them? It's times like this where one wishes they had saved such comments. If on the off chance I happen to be mistaken, then I apologise to you. However, it keeps ringing back to me that you said this more than once on here and I cannot remember Linda, Pwcca, or Linear or anybody else stating it but yourself.




Well, I said that to you because I understood from the past that my postion was a joke to you (believing that a designer was responsible). I may have misjudged you? But don't you think something is missing when you make a sudden, rather profound statement like this, yet the material in your posts have never reflected this to me or even hinted at such? The fruits of a person's beliefs would not be lost in the material of their posts and yours seem to have done this. Now, I don't expect them to be full of religious sentiment, but I would have expected "something". You sure fooled me!

It seems that the god you believe in, sounds pretty similar to mine...so I'm confused by the list. Though the God I believe in, is not made in our image and doesn't conform to human ideals, rather He is what He is. He's not a playdough God, though often people do try to put words in His mouth or say all kinds of things that misportray Him.

God does not need, nor want false videos or books to be made, nor propogated and the idea that He would endorse such a thing (as you've insinuated) is completely contradictory to the nature of God and makes a mockery of Him and believers. Since lying is a sin and one in which God despises. So may I ask you to please quit mispresenting Him because you're trying to hit back at creationists on here? Even those who proclaim to be on His side of the fence will not please Him if they are being deceptive either (just as much as the ones on your side of the fence doing the same wouldn't). I hardly think that you are in a position to pretend He WOULD rely on or wish for that. Again, this is arrogant and incorrect.

The God I believe in, doesn't require rolling a dice in nature, hoping to hit the jackpot. He doesn't require or rely on a process to effect the outcome He desires, because He's outside of it and has complete authority over nature and the elements (He made them). He spoke and it was. He had authority over His creation, He isn't controlled by it. He is also (Thankfully) not limited by the limits many of His creatures attempt to set on Him. Nor altered by such judgements RAZD, whether you assign a certain weakness or personality to Him or not. Does He simply trust His luck with nature? Or is He an authority over it? Depends I guess what people believe about the nature of God.

AS for the rest of your statements? How could I not agree? A God given brain/intellect and gifts should be used and to not do so, to my mind is in a sense, quite sinful. Study/science is not feared by our God, since He is responsible for it! Since the bible tells us that the evidence is there "so they are without excuse". The limitations or falsehoods of anybody also do not change the reality of God. In fact, us humans have a great deal of trouble understanding Him.

Your god is better than my God? Well for me? that is impossible. Since I believe in ONE true God, not many gods/deities all competing with one-another. So for me, when you speak of this power/force/god, I consider that perhaps we are speaking of the same One? And would such a God be affected by the trival "mine is better than yours" debates? Probably not in the way we imagine!

At any rate RAZD. I did not set out to falsey accuse you. I sincerely have the memory of you stating what i said you had stated, however without the quote? I must give the person the benefit of the doubt and apologise to you if I have been incorrect.

Cheers!