Hi Linear,
I think he is referring to Russ's posts where Russ asserts that probability calculations rule out evolution yet Russ never supplies the calculations nor a link to them.
Could be, but he was quoting me and replying to my specific comments. If he meant someone else on here regarding false calculations, then he needs to state this or address them personally, rather than directing it straight at me as though I gave any (which I didn't).
I had given no calculations about the dice analogy because he needed to answer to me where the "dice" came from. Instead, he tripped and said "I made it". This is the point of my posts. I'm not interested in playing "chance" games with imaginary dice as a way of proving the universe did the same. Because the comparison is ridiculous, when you consider what is required for all these things to come together, work together, start and be sustained. It's miraculous, not an "impressive way it just happened to turn out".
He still can't get past how the dice got there and where it came from. He just wants to keep throwing it and ignoring the fact. If you believe God did it Linear, why would you buy into the "dice throwing analogy"? Do you think God threw a dice with nature and continued to do so, relying instead on nature to come up with the jackpot? Or do you consider that He knew exacty what He was doing because He is God? That all things were lined up specifically for all things to come together and work. Whether you believe in evolution or not, it's hard to believe that you would consider a chance reliant God.
Not really. Since RAZD is a deist, he can quite well agree that everything came from God making the first thing.
God makes the initial small thing that the universe expands out of.
He allows it to expand.
He allows it to cool and hydrogen to form
He allows stars to coalesce from the hydrogen.
He allows the stars to create heavier elements within them.
He allows the stars to explode.
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He allows the chemicals in the oceans of Earth to form self replicating complex molecules.
He allows life to form.
He allows life to evolve.
From my point of view, I could even concede that God made all those things happen right up to forming the initial chemicals in the oceans with His own hands. This is analogous to the creation of the dice.
So, we have dice made by God. What is the probability that in rolling the dice we will get a 7? This is the calculation that RAZD is referring to.
So, we have chemicals and an ocean made by God. What is the probability that life will form from those chemicals? This is the calculation that Russ seems to be referring to. I am not sure though since Russ won't go any further than saying that the probability is effectively impossible.
How can anybody possibly believe in a God that relies on chance, if they believe that He created at all? A dice throwing God? You believe in a God that throw dice with nature? I believe in a God that has power over nature and all the elements. Is He not of infinite wisdom? infinite power? Infinite foresight? Infinite and unlimited ability? Without His power and authority, how can any of these things come into existence, let alone sort themselves by chance?
Did he just trust His luck and that perhaps chance will take care of it for Him, since He's obviously not capable of getting it right the first time? Sorry, I don't buy it and if I did, I'd have trouble with the biblical word also. It also doesn't correspond with the God of the bible.
At any rate, thanks for your last resort admission RAZD. Next time you take a contemptuous potshot or have a giggle over the idea of God, I'll remember your quote and have a giggle of my own.
This is confusing. What did RAZD say that was contemptuous of you?
It's not confusing at all. He has given statements in the past that have shown contempt and amusement of anybody who has the idea that "God did it". Which includes yourself. He did not specifically mention the Christian God, he simply mentioned the "god did it" excuse/explanation, which he arrogantly swept to oneside as though it was a bogus excuse used by people who cannot accept 'reality'.
He's done this before in more than one past post and I'm surprised you missed them! So it's rather hypocritical of him to mention any idea of a god/deity now, simply because he's backed into a rather uncomfortable corner. Yet in other posts, a mindless chance random event is really what he wishes to attribute it all to and if you don't believe me, read his posts again. They speak for themselves.
So no, my response to him was apt. He has made fun of the idea of a God being responsible, then why should I not return the compliment on the random chance event that takes God's place? Or do you find that offensive, but RAZD's statements and contempt acceptable?
