For the benefit of those who may not recognize false statements when they're openly presented, and because I have some time to kill, I'll debunk a little more.

Originally Posted by RAZD
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Completely false. There'd be a tube, but it wouldn't be a hollow tunnel. There's no way around it.

Oh, I get it! When I was saying 'tube' I meant 'tunnel', right? Thanks for bringing my mistake to my attention in such a crazy cockeyed manner. Actually this must've been at least a double mistake: saying 'tube' when I meant 'tunnel' but really should've said 'tube' in the first place, which I actually said, but... shiftyeyes How many mistakes was I making after all is said & done?
Now you are trying to confuse the issue with "hollow" tunnels versus tubes, when I never said hollow.

Curiously this latest attempt at diversion does nothing to answer the mathematical problem of your tube formation. It still won't form the way you think it will no matter how many times you repeat yourself.

Just for fun, let's look at what you would actually see:

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http://www.csun.edu/~vcgeo005/lc8-4.html


Note that this picture (taken by Dr Collins) is of a fracture that extends into the rock away from the surface shown, and that the scattering seen is also extending into the rock each side of the fracture.
Note that the picture clearly shows a tube forming from the right side toward the center. It's just RAZD presenting evidence that he's wrong, hoping you'll assume nobody would ever do such a thing so it must support him somehow, even though it doesn't look like it.

But anyone who can see the picture can see that it conforms to what I said. Trust your own eys - not RAZD's words.
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What you DO see is a scattering of damage along the fracture. Curiously this scattering is precisely what I said would occur, rather than your well defined "tubes"
What a joke. The fracture dictates the shape of the surrounding field of discolouration. And any discolouration at all is evidence that migrating radon can't pass through the rock without leaving telltale marks. Now look at the pics of radiohalos and see if there's evidence of radon traveling through the regions around them. If there was, it would indicate migration.

The alpha-trace method is even better, since the trace marks show right up individually, rather than gradually building up discolouration fields.
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Not what he said. Not even close, and the text's right there for everyone to see. His main point is to question the "choices" of "the Creator", and he never mentions radon saturation at all. You even have to put words into your own source's mouth, it seems.
Curiously all this shows is that you did not read the article.
What this shows is that RAZD cannot even be trusted to copy & paste the portion of the article he talks about. This is particularly deceptive, as RAZD presented the quotation, and then proceeded to misrepresent it. His remarks started "In other words..."

If this were an honest mistake, he was free to acknowledge it. He chose to pretend it was all in order. Anyone who doubts can scroll up and see. And enemies of truth will no doubt claim I'm making this up. Again, I'm thankful for scroll bars & no edit policies.

Originally Posted by Dr. Collins
From these insights it follows that Po halos in a granite need not have been produced in a short time. Some halos may have formed early, some later. Rapid entry of radon and precipitation of polonium could occur if a gabbro or diorite site were made porous and depressurized by tectonism.
Note that this is conjecture.

Originally Posted by RAZD
He goes on to show how he tested his concept that radon was the source of the polonium halos, and then reaches this conclusion:
But no tests have been conducted, have they? The article simply presents more conjecture.

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Polonium Halos Explained

The formation of granite by replacement of solid rocks means that Gentry's theory is no longer tenable. He can no longer legitimately say that Po-halo-bearing granites must form by supernatural means.

Solid diorite and gabbro rock, which had previously crystallized from magma, has been subjected to repeated cataclasis and recrystallization. This has happened without melting; and the cataclasis provided openings for the introduction of uranium-bearing fluids and for the modification of these rocks to granite by silication and cation deletion.

In uranium ore-fields the extra uranium provides an abundant source of inert radon gas; and it is this gas that diffuses in ambient fluids so that incipient biotite and fluorite crystallization is exposed to it. Radon (222Rn) decays and Po isotopes nucleate in the rapidly growing biotite (and fluorite) crystals whence they are positioned to produce the Po halos.

The whole process of Po halo formation can be accomplished without calling on a Creator to do it. The serendipity that has emerged from these observations implies that Po halos in myrmekite-bearing granite indicate a non-magmatic origin for the granite. The argument comes full circle when it meets Gentry's initial [truthfully made] observation that magmatically-derived granites cannot contain Po halos: the half-lives of the Po isotopes are simply too short.
See? Not test at all.

Dr. Gentry has challenged anyone to produce polonium halos by any means, and nobody can do it. Radon and the granites are in no short supply. If the grand fantasy were true, one could just find some fractured sample and pump a little radon through it. Of course this won't even come close to working, and everyone who knows the first thing about decay knows it.

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Now let me repeat my comment that you said was "Not what he said. Not even close, and the text's right there for everyone to see."
You can't edit Post 40757, so everyone's welcome to scroll up and see for themselves what you've done.

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So how about you renounce evolutionism & call me stupid & save some time? Deal?
Curiously I don't call people stupid. Nor would validation of polonium affect evolution.
Maybe not with words, but such affronts to intelligence amount to the same thing.

You even include one in this comment. You have more than once claimed polonium radiohalos are used to support a young age of the earth, even after I corrected you. Were this true, they'd certainly have quite an impact on all forms of evolutionism, without exception.*

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Polonium is debunked as evidence of a young earth (once again), and meanwhile you still need to deal with uranium halos and the evidence for an old earth.
See? There you go again. Of course contradicting yourself in such a short span, that's not the same as calling everyone "stupid" is it?

Presenting evidence, time and time again, that directly and obviously demonstrates your claims cannot be true, that's not "calling people stupid"? Putting false words in others' mouths, when we all have scroll bars?

Let me help, if I can. You don't have to post every thought that comes into your head. You can evaluate them.

* Allow me to mock in advance this response, and thereby deter you from typing it, or an equivalent. "Um, duh, whun I said 'evolution' I was just talkin' 'bout change. Normal, everyday change. The kind that has nuthin' to do with the debate. This just shows that yur ignorant 'bout what 'evolution' means."

Well, in the context of a debate forum, using a term that's identical to one of the terms which is subject to debate while intending it to mean something that isn't subject to debate is deceptive. Also deceptive, is claiming one meaning for a term, and later substituting another. If you mean 'change', you should say "change". Assuming you want to be honest (and I must admit this assumption runs counter to many an observation.)


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