RAZD, I'm not a math minded person. Or at least not higher math....so I can't really judge on your questions that way (above). I'm actually getting a good review of things I never really learned back when I was in High School. (Wasn't real into school at the time so missed some steps). I've been subbing so haven't been on much and just caught all this. I know overall you ARE a scientific person and I'm talking just generally...not in the sense of being an evolutionist. I can see what you are saying about evolution overall....if not claiming with assurance that you KNOW how things happened. Obviously evolution happens...but the how's have to be left open. PERSONALLY....I think Russ looks at things through rather narrow glasses with a negative bend. I can see what you're saying, RAZD. There is a stubborness on here with a couple of folks on here who tend to look at things without an open mind. I'm not saying any of us should fence sit or contradict the Bible or creation in saying that. But your pure argument doesn't do that.....
Hi Jeanie,
Like yourself, I struggle with the type of math that CTD and RAZD discuss on here and in all serious, it's over my head. However, because of this, I cannot in all honesty state who in this area is correct and who isn't.....
RAZD indeed sounds a very scientific and mathematical person, but is it absolute and how do we, as laypeople know? Since I'm not so clued up about this kind of stuff, nor am I very keen on studying it all. However scientific somebody may sound, how do we know if they are discussing true science or not? If we ourselves do not have enough knowledge about it? There are plenty of eloquent and well-read people out there that can convince anybody they are speaking the truth, but it's very hard to tell unless we are able to speak their language.
Does being open minded mean discussing all the incredible adaptive and variation abilities of creation and attributing it to chance random events (a miraculous unseen/unobserved event) and then denying a creator? I can't quite understand Jeanie how it makes Russ close-minded if he's attributing all this to a designer,rather than a chance beginning.....and RAZD open minded for doing the opposite? Don't get me wrong, everybody has a right to dicuss what they believe, but why should it make one open or close minded for doing so? RAZD has one moment acknowledged his limitations. The next he's almost doing the opposite and contemptuous of an idea of a god and made light (or fun) of it....is that open minded?
Personally I think we ALL have our bias and limitations. The use of the words "open-minded" is sometimes abused as well. E.g. some assume if you have any morals regarding sexuality, that you're "close minded".....sorry but ideas of limitations vary from person to person and in the end, probably don't mean much except one chooses which bias to be bias with. There are people who claim open-mindedness and will accept anything BUT God
