Hi Jeanie

Just referring to your little slogan at the bottom.

LOL you thought that referred to me? Not for a moment. There are some here to seem to believe that the current paradigm is wrong and that they know better, the statement is for them at least until they can show with good evidence that they actually do understand it.

I think personally it must've taken at least 6,000 years and maybe more.

We have some really solid dates for many events in the earths history, none of them could ever be fitted to a timeline such as this, the data directly and unequivocally contradicts this view of the world unless god purposefully setup the world to look far older than this figure. The best evidence we have suggests that it took around 4 700 000 000 years for the earth to form and get to this point.

I think Adam and Eve were the first humans....placed here as they were in adult form before the breath of life was breathed into them (When their spirits entered their bodies)

If you accept that evolution was god’s chosen method of creation then you basically have catholic doctrine here though they also accept the stated ages of the earth and life on it without revision. (In the official catholic view Adam and Eve were converted from ape to human by god adding a soul to them) If you do not accept this then there is much evidence that is difficult to explain. For example very few animals need to eat vitamin C, they can produce it in their bodies. Of those who do have this dietary need one is, according to the scientific view, very distantly related to humans (guinea pigs) and the others are our closest relatives the great apes. More telling is the exact genetics of this defect. Guinea pigs have a unique defect; it’s in a different location in the vitamin C pathway genes and so appears to have nothing to do with the defect that afflicts humans. Humans and great apes actually carry the full set of Vitamin C production genes but one of the set (there are four interrelated steps coded in our genes to produce Vitamin C) is broken. The damage in the human vitamin C genes is in exactly the same location and is the same change as that in great apes. It’s equivalent to finding that of all the encyclopaedia’s on earth three copies have the same mistake on page 1004 of book 6 in line 26 the third letter of the sixth word. It’s very hard to explain, except by common ancestry, how that exact defect is shared only by those creatures that all other areas of science suggest are so closely related.

man's history goes back just as stated....approximately 6000 years.

This idea too is problematic. Radiometric dating has been tested against known dates from historical records, the bible for instance, and shown to be very accurate yet the dating of human artefacts keeps going backwards for upwards of 60 000 years from those well tested and confirmed dates that agree so precisely with biblically documented events to a history of humans that is so much older than you believe human history to be. How do you explain that the method is so precise (within 2%) for the entire time covered by the bible for which artefacts can be found yet then gets it so wrong? This seems improbable in the extreme to me.

If there are things in existence that somehow refute that....it is dated wrong.

But it’s the same dating method applied to the same sorts of samples? Why would you think it was wrong only when it disagrees with your preconceptions when it is so clearly accurate when it doesn’t?

However, for you to turn the argument away from how you personally see it which I don't believe involves faith of any kind (????) is pretty much a dodge isn't it?

I wasn’t aware that I had ever turned this argument in any particular direction, just followed it’s twists and turns as they occur. I have always been discussing the evidence that supports the scientific view of the history of this planet and of us and how that evidence contradicts the views of some others here. The scientific view is, I believe, the truth as best we know it today.

IMO - the world in general pretty much picks out which truths they will accept to go along with what they believe on a larger scale. (As do I).

I’d have to suggest that you are wrong here at least as far as I’m concerned. My views are based on the whole of the evidence as far as I can know it. If there is evidence against a view I hold then I’ll change it, I have often enough in the past as I’ve learned new things, but that’s not been happening here. This site does not generally get down to brass tacks with the evidence, most here who do not accept the scientific view don’t seem willing to engage with it in any meaningful way.

Which is it for you, though? In one message you are discounting anyone having supernatural experiences....even some I've either had myself or witnessed close hand.

I met a man once who talked to his car engine because he was sure it had important things to say to him, I’ve met people who talked to gods you don’t recognize and I’ve talked to a world renown psychic (in his opinion), the logic and reasoning of these people does not inspire confidence that there is any such thing as the supernatural. Obviously that’s too small a sample to draw any conclusions but I have seen first hand how deluded otherwise will intentioned and apparently intelligent people can be so I have no reason not to doubt the existence of the supernatural. Historically this view is well supported, it wasn’t very long ago that lightning and disease were supernatural events and even the seasons were at the whims of the gods, today we know better and the realm of the supernatural has shrunk. I suspect that every single thing that people consider supernatural will turn out to be a mundane but currently unknown or misunderstood phenomenon or it will turn out to be a delusion of some kind.

Like saying my husband's dreams about plane wrecks were just coincidence......these are not common ordinary dreams - more like visions - and with EVERY ONE there is a correlating real plane wreck usually the following day.

You’re putting words in my mouth, I never said his dreams were anything I merely pointed out that fatal plane crashes were an everyday occurrence in America according to the NTSB database and left you to draw your own conclusions.

As far as the smell in the pillow....perhaps.

Don’t discount the mundane possibilities without good reason, that is the path to self deception.

Blah blah blah. I imagine this is going in one ear and out the other.

LOL yeah it’s an old story I’ve heard so many times before and no one yet has ever been able to show one good reason, beyond wishful thinking, why anyone should actually believe it. Can you?

All the best Jeanie

Russell