Hi Jeanie

I agree that pointing out that life is related, even all related to a single common ancestor, is not an argument against creation just against a creator that specially created all ‘kinds’ separately. God could have created that first kind as Darwin suggested in Origins and left the rest to the evolutionary forces we now observe. Why not he’s claimed to be all powerful and all knowing so he has to be capable of getting things started then sitting back and watching it all unfold to his plan. By definition he must be. Is it not an insult to him to suggest that he could not have done so, that he must have created each kind individually, that he is so limited that he could not use evolution as his means of creation?

If evolutionary theory is a religion then so is gravitation. Do you really believe that? Do you know of anyone who is doubting gravitation?

And yes the ideas of Darwin gain support from a whole range of different disciplines of science all working from different sources of information yet all turning up the same answer, Darwin was right. It’s exactly what you would expect of a true theory. The levels of support that it has gained from so many disparate fields of science is way beyond the support we have for universal gravitation though I don’t see anyone calling gravity ‘just a theory’ well except for the flat earthers but then not many people take them seriously.

It makes so much more sense to think SOMEONE set it all up

Which of course raises the problem of where did this someone come from? Lets face it every someone that you or I have ever known came from somewhere so there’s good precedence for this question. It is our everyday experience and the most logical conclusion that everyone came from somewhere. Do you have any thoughts on who might have created god? And why and how they did so and who created them etc?

....We just happen to be in just the perfect place in the solar system to sustain life.

Well obviously, it would truly be a miracle if we were elsewhere now wouldn’t it. It’s hardly proof of god that we find ourselves in a life friendly location because we would not exist to notice if it were not so. If we did find ourselves in a location that could not sustain life now that would be good proof of god.

I guess it all happened by chance?

Please explain to me how it could be any other way? How could we evolve in a location that was not friendly to life? The only place we could possibly find ourselves in a naturalistic setting is a life friendly location. If there are such places in the universe then that’s where you would expect to find life if there was no god. If there were no such places in the universe then you would not expect to find life capable of noticing that it could not find a niece in the universe. It would only support the god idea over the naturalistic idea if we found ourselves in a location incapable of supporting life yet we continued to survive and thrive. That, obviously, is not the case.

Call me simple, but it is more logical to me

Sit down and think about what you have just said Jeanie? Tell me how it could be possible that we could find ourselves in a life hostile location? Even without god how could that ever happen? Tell me why you think, if this is a god less naturalistic universe, that we should be surprised to find ourselves in a location that is friendly to life? Do you see the glaring hole in the logic you have used here Jeanie?

A naturalistic view of the universe says that life will only arise in locations friendly to life and that’s where we are. Only with the power of a god could we expect life to exist in a location incapable of supporting it.

In Reason

Russell