Originally Posted by RAZD
Thanks Russ, but wrong.

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Not true.
Micro-evolution (which is not evolution at all but a form of adaptation) expresses attributes that are already expressed in the genes.
So, there is all the difference in the world between the two. In fact, they are as different as creationism and evolutionism.
Curiously YOU are not a biologist, and biologist get to define the terms used in their science. We've been over this before: you get to use the definitions used in the science or you are talking nonsense.
This from one who has a whole thread, and at least 3 unsmall sections of other threads dedicated to redefining 'evolution'. Not that I'd say evolutionism has anything other than an antithetical relationship with biology, now, but some try to paint quite another picture.

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Sadly such video's are absolutely worthless sources for providing information about the real world, as they have the factual foundation of science fiction, and anything can be made up to look convincing.
Anything on the internet, on TV, in books, uh, pretty much anywhere, can be made up to look like this or that. (Anyone who's even moderately familiar with conspiracies knows this quite well.)

That's where verification comes into play. The factual content in many of the videos Russ has posted can be verified to a high degree of confidence without too much trouble.

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The way you judge the validity of theories is by testing them against the objective evidence of reality.
If you want confirmation, that'd be new evidence. Testing against old evidence is circular. Of course "theories" which fail against even pre-existing evidence are invalid. If only more folks had understood this in Darwin's day, a lot of waste could have been avoided.

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This video provides scientific information directly from a space sciences engineer that strongly evidences creation. He continues by providing statements by evolutionists that clearly reveal their inability to reconcile even the most fundamantal scientific information regarding our solar system. An excellent video for all to watch.
And this highlights another common misconception people have about science: that having evidence for a concept is enough. You can find evidence that the earth is flat, but that does not make it so.

Sadly, the problem is that you need to explain all the evidence, including the evidence that seems to contradict your position.
Yes, you argue the creationist case fairly strongly, Bugs. If evolutionism could explain the planets, moons, and sun, the video would never have been made. But it cannot, and that excellent video does a good job of making it clear.

But your argument is somewhat flawed. If every theory is required to explain all evidence, we're in trouble. I don't think any theory can cut it. There are a lot of unexplained phenomena.

Now in the given context, you could have been trying to establish an impossible standard for creation science, or you could have simply meant "all relevant evidence". In the latter case you have no argument, so my interpretation leans somewhat against this. Indeed, rather than presenting even the most vague, rambling, pseudo-argument; you chose to change the subject rather abruptly.
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Tanned people having white babies contradicts your previous claim that tanning was hereditary. Instead skin color of offspring correlates with hereditary traits for skin color of the parents, showing that the skin color of the offspring is inherited in the genes from the parents.
Has nothing to do with anything under discussion. Nothing whatsoever.

I suggest a less abrupt change of direction next time. This was just too obvious and awkward. Try to consider the kind of example you're setting for your follower.

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