Hello Bex,

I think Russell2's response was a bit wide of the mark that was aiming for. The claims made may be fact to Russell2 and so were stated as if they were. I am sure that more support from Bible scholars can be provided in favor of what Russell2 claims.

Originally Posted by Bex
It can hardly be called an excuse, or even a desperate attempt at (a lame) explanation/dodge, as the biblical word has remained the same and hasn't the need to continue "evolving" to keep up with "new findings". Dodging isn't actually possible or making some "convenient" changes, since the bible has remained the same and the word constant.
Why do you consider the fact that the Bible has not changed to be some sort of unshakable testimony for its veracity? Tom Sawyer, the Kama Sutra and the Calvin and Hobbs comic strip for 8/2/95 have not changed since they were written down either. No-one claims the they hold the ultimate truth. (There are claims for divine experiences when following the Kama Sutra smile )
The Vedas has been written down and unchanged for longer than the Old Testament scriptures. Does that make the Vedas into the ultimate authority with regards to the universe's origins? You would very likely say that the Vedas are not authoritative even though they meet the very lax requirements that you used here to claim Biblical authority.

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It easily explains deterioration/degeneration, faults, deformities, suffering, sickness/death etc. Imperfection via sin entered a perfect world.
Actually, it doesn't explain anything very well at all. It says that God cursed the world because of Adam's sin. So, what are the parameters of that curse?

The serpent is cursed to crawl on its belly and eat dust.
Women (and men?) will hate snakes.
Women have difficult and painful childbirth
Adam has to work hard to obtain food until the day he dies.

Please provide the Biblical passages that support this continued deterioration of the creation that you have claimed above.

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The explanation has been there for a long time RAZD, yours have not.
Is this a claim that the age of the scriptures is a support for its veracity?

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Now since you do not need such an imagination RAZD, perhaps you could tell us the testing that has taken place to prove what took place in the beginning?.....

.....I wonder if you can give us a clear scientific explanation, testing included, (without resorting to arrogance), that proves what took place in the beginning to explain all there is around us. This must be testable RAZD, since you yourself have suggested it must be and so it should if evolution is being taught in the science classroom.

What testing do you think has already been done to determine the things that occurred at the "beginning"? What results would Bex require in order to no longer accept Genesis 1 as a literal account of the creation? Please be specific.

A faith that connot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets. -- Arthur C. Clarke