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Hello Bex, just to be clear:

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:We also have to remember that after the fall, when sin entered the world everything was on a decline and imperfection entered a once perfect world/environment and creatures.


Is just an(other lame) excuse for not having an explanation. What it means in the end is that you can use creationism to explain anything, and that nothing can be predicted from these "explanations" ... in other words, all they do is pad your comfort zone.

"(X) will happen except when it doesn't" is the ultimate two-step dodge.


It can hardly be called an excuse, or even a desperate attempt at (a lame) explanation/dodge, as the biblical word has remained the same and hasn't the need to continue "evolving" to keep up with "new findings". Dodging isn't actually possible or making some "convenient" changes, since the bible has remained the same and the word constant. Your comments in comparison make little sense. It easily explains deterioration/degeneration, faults, deformities, suffering, sickness/death etc. Imperfection via sin entered a perfect world. The explanation has been there for a long time RAZD, yours have not.

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Yep, fantasizing over what may have been, especially if things were entirely different (Jeanie's "lots and lots of variables") is a fun pastime.

It just is not science until you test it against the objective evidence of reality (not that you or anyone claimed it was, but I just want this point to be clear).


What beginnings must you fantasise about RAZD to fit in with your theory? .... Big explosions? Promordial soup/s? smile This is not "my" reality that I speak about. This is God's reality and the biblical explanation given perfectly fits in with what many see around them. Since I was not there to see it all at the very beginning in it's perfection, it is entirely reasonable to state that I cannot imagine how wonderful it really must have been if the biblical explanation is true (and I believe it is). I have only lived in a world tainted by imperfection.....Now since you do not need such an imagination RAZD, perhaps you could tell us the testing that has taken place to prove what took place in the beginning?

Now if you cannot provide this, then it is probably safe to say that you also cannot imagine the wonders of what took place at the beginning also.....hmmmmmmmmmm? Don't you think the existence of the universe/planets is wonderful? Or do you take it in your stride wink

Sadly, it seems you've reverted back to insults again.....I wonder if you can give us a clear scientific explanation, testing included, (without resorting to arrogance), that proves what took place in the beginning to explain all there is around us. This must be testable RAZD, since you yourself have suggested it must be and so it should if evolution is being taught in the science classroom.

Last edited by Bex; 09/01/08 04:55 PM.