After a round of chelation (perhaps your first round) did you know then that mercury was your problem. Did the chelation make you feel like your old self again?

Are you making progress with your chelation? Are you cured because of your chelation?

After I had my last mercury filling out I've had an exasperation of symptoms and wondering if it's time to try DMSA.

For those of you do you have a doctor involved? Do you monitor your liver and kidney function through blood work?

No, I knew for certain that mercury was my problem when I had my fillings removed and about 8 days later had a major reaction with symptoms that lasted for several weeks. I had known about my candida for a few years and had been able to keep my symptoms under control as long as I stayed very strict on my diet and supplements. When I had this reaction, despite being extra strict on my diet, I knew this was it. The reaction was beyond my control and any skepticism that I had was gone.

I have chelated with oral DMPS and I would say that I am cured of my most debilitating symptoms. My flare ups have been minor and seem to occur after being in a dentist office. I may have to do a little round of chelation after going to the dentist for the foreseeable future.

I initially had a doctor involved, but his office closed not long after I began chelation. I continued on my own. I do not monitor my liver and kidny function, but I take it very slow with many breaks.

Hi, mercury removal exacerbated my symptoms and then later to the extreme as the stored mercury began to leak back out and repoison me.

I used many things to try and get that mercury out, but often caused myself intolerable symptoms and back-fire effects and was often much worse, but desperate to remove more metals. I guess it did over the long term, but I feel it was risky.

I then used DMSA (cutler style) and made more progress and it was much safer, and more tolerable. I did start eventually to feel normal again, my old self. Much healthier and it showed on the outside too. Almost a transformation I'd say, both inside and out. I did not really use ALA, as the DMSA by itself did a lot to help me get back much health and also at the time, i was still experiencing symptoms so I knew it was still chelating mercury.

Later everything changed after viral/bacterial infection and wisdom tooth removal and I've been ill ever since. Rather mysterious too. Sadly chelation no longer has any real effect on me either. My system does not tend to respond to detoxes, though diet at least eventually controls the worst of my symptoms it does not cure me. Neither does any cleanse I have used, or any homeopathy etc. I believe my immunity is under continual strain and I also feel I may have cavitations too.

Even Hal Huggins explains cavitations as being worse than mercury and how even the most marathon efforts of cleanses/detoxes will often bring little to no results. This is because it's a form of gangrene and is there 24/7. If that's what I am suffering alongside the virus, it makes perfect sense what Hal says. Even with mercury poisoning, glandular fever etc, I ALWAYS made progress with dietry efforts, chelation and cleanses. not so these days.

At any rate, chelation did indeed start to cure me from mercury poisoning. It definitely does work, but progress may not be seen for sometime. You usually gets major ups and downs and it's ongoing until enough mercury has gone so your body starts healing properly and you notice the results. This may take a few years, or it may happen sooner.

I am still pre-removal so I can't really say much of anything at this point. However I will certainly be blogging about my experience.

Bex

Bex, have you ever considered Lyme disease? Apparently it's more prevalent than anyone ever suspects. There is also a group of folks with MS like symptoms with Chlamedia Pneumonia which ends up being a multi stage organism that can linger and cause deterioration like Lyme.

I am chelating with ALA alone I did 6 weeks at 50 mg a dose, crashed, took a rest for several weeks, did another parasite cleanse, and am now chelating with ALA at 25 mg a dose. If you haven't done a parasite cleanse recently, then I suggest that you do a month long one. Most here have had parasites. Most parasite cleanses have wormwood, black walnut green hull extract, and clove. Some have other herbs as well. The ALA makes me feel better overall, but sometimes makes my fibromyalgia symptoms worse. Mercury isn't the only problem that most here have, but it may have been what first made them ill. Many here have had mineral and vitamin deficiencies, parasites,and candida overgrowth. Many here have had thyroid or other hormone issues.

I have parasites and I know it now, that Diat. Earth stuff they mention in here gave me HORRIBLE die offs the last two nights, it was too intense. Do parasites give off those bad die offs as well? How did the cleanse you did go? That was kind of scary, the worst die offs I have had from anything. Cilantro, Chlorella and killing Candida was not as bad at that was, felt like I had the dagon flue and was all confused and unable to thing very straight. Is that possible from parasites?

"Do parasites give off those bad die offs as well? "

Yes.

"How did the cleanse you did go? "

I saw some parasites. I don't want to go into the gory details.

"Cilantro, Chlorella and killing Candida was not as bad at that was, felt like I had the dagon flue and was all confused and unable to thing very straight. Is that possible from parasites?"

Yes. Eat plenty of raw garlic, and start a parasite cleanse. Raw garlic is very antiparasitic.

Man those die offs the other night made me think I was very sick and going crazy! I could not think straight and had a bad dream about Ghosts etc. lol. I even woke up a few times and had my skin itching in areas and some stomach pain and twitches! That was by far the most intense, even over Mercury and Candida! Does that mean I have alot of bugs? I would pretty much say so! Thats a good indication. Is the detox and die offs as dangerous as mercury though, meaing Mercury Detox can be very bad, but parasites? I would try to start slow, but I did start slow and got bad reactions Why can't this be easy


BTW start alot of raw garlic on top of it do the parasite cleanse? HOLY CRAP I will die if I kill too much at once, I flat out FELT HORRIBLE I am telling you JK! Worse than before, but I know Diat. Earth is not toxic or dangerous, I guess it is just that GOOD at killing those things. Have you heard of it? Oh yeah my Kindeys ache too, ever have that happen? Nothing serious but a little sore.

i don't know about the safety of diat. earth. I never used it. Articles say food grade diat. earth is used to clear some animals of parasites. Raw garlic is easier to get, and has a much longer proven track record for safety. Studies have also shown that raw garlic is effective against many parasites.

Hi sregan,

Yeah I have thought about lyme, but I don't think I have it. The infection was caused by an infected eye cosmetic. It started with eye infection from there and spread throughout my system. I don't think lyme disease starts like that.

It was because I kept watering the mascara down to make it more moist, but this takes away the antibacterial agents (dilutes it) and allows any kind of organism to breed in there and I had done this before and gotten away with it, but oneday I did not. Perhaps because I was detoxing mercury strongly at the time and may have been vulnerable. But whatever got in, spread from eyes, to brain, to my entire body. The most bizzare condition I have ever endured and it's remained since.

I have tried salt and vitamin C (for lyme) but got no reactions. No die off, or improvements etc. I have tried a few herbal things, but no such luck. The only thing that controls things to a point is my diet. No supplement does very much. Just compliments things a bit. It's about building immunity too, but unfortunately this infection is there permanently and has devastated my immunity. worse than the mercury (even if mercury may have been the reason why I caught it).

Chelation doesn't work, detoxing hasn't worked. Cleanses haven't worked. Parasite cleansing hasn't worked and to be honest, I'm kind of through with it all. As negative as that may seem, I've found a point of "acceptance" (to a point) and understand my limits and do what I can under the circumstances, which isn't always easy, but it's better than me being bitter and angry daily, which I was.

It causes terrible symptoms, exercise intolerance, work intolerance and I constantly have to pace myself to be very very careful. Any exertion beyond a certain point causes me to become exhausted, feverish, sore throat, sore eyes, and unable to think straight. Everything gets much worse. SO I have to have rest and breaks inbetween exercising and/or work. If I do something daily, I'm in big trouble.

Again diet is essential and must be permanent. I cannot cheat, or things worsen and take ages to improve again. I also suspect cavitations, which I believe occured after this infection because I was more vulnerable and had a wisdom tooth removed. So that can cripple the immune system even on its own without such a viral infection.

Next on my agenda (oneday if/when I can), I may try and find an oral surgeon to open up and clean out every ex wisdom tooth site just in case. Diagnosis is very difficult and cavitations can be easily missed. Even a small one can contain potent bacteria and not be seen. It does not always show external symptoms.

I may also get myself some cat's claw at some point and see if that may help, but I'm wary as the stuff is potent and some react horribly to it and long term. So I'm in no hurry to make my situation worse long term in case there is such a reaction.

One eye cosmetic that I didn't throw away (stupidly) and was used during the active eye infection stage, whcih caused this systemtic ilness was used again a year or so later and all the symptoms returned in full. Just as severe as the first time and I got a double dose. So I warn people never to play with their eye cosmetics by watering them down or anything else. If you ever do get a bad enough bacterial invasion and that gets into the eyes, if your immunity is already down, you can wind up with something like this and it hasn't even got a diagnosis/name.

Bex,

I am really sorry to hear about your complications. That is absolutely horrible to think a mascara could have caused all that! Sometimes I would be a little lazy in getting a new mascara every few months, but your story has changed that.

I'm not sure if you believe that our bodies have "energies" or "frequencies". I think there is some truth to it. There is a machine called the ETASCAN. There isn't a whole lot about it on the internet that's in english. Most of the information is in German where this machine was developed. If you type that into google you'll actually see my blog 4 links down. A nutritional pharmacy(Nutri-farmacy) in my area has been using this machine on people and it tells them what is "wrong" with the person. I know the guy who runs the place, so I decided I would give it a shot. Why not? I was pretty skeptical when I went in. I figured it was complete bologna. Well I am glad to say that I was completely mistaken.

I wrote a lot about the scan on my blog. I recommend reading my blog post for a full explanation.
Here's a link to my personal experiences with the scan.

To make a very very very long story short, the machine said that I had mercury in my pituitary [and in my blood]. Now before getting scanned, there was no way this machine would have known that. It even showed that my posterior side of my pituitary has extremely low "energy". That is the part of the pituitary that regulates antidiuretic hormone. When that doesn't work you get diabetes insipidus and that's exactly what I have been diagnosed with by my naturopath.

The reason why I am posting all of this is that you said no one knows what you have. It's some kind of infection or virus but no one knows. Well this machine could probably tell you. I see you don't even live in the US. However, perhaps you could find someone that has this machine in NZ.

Once again I know it's really kooky, but it showed exactly what was wrong with me. I have no idea how it worked, but it did.

I apologize for derailing yet another thread!

Birdlady, I use to work for a D.O. (Osteopath) and his naturopath wife who used muscle testing. The Dr. was bad at it, but his wife was uncanny. My husband (boyfriend when i worked for them) thought it was complete bunk caues only the Dr. had used it on him (although it was pretty tell tale even with him) but I think Dr. Seeman was a bit "motivated" to sell his supplements using it. You have to be completely objective to use it. Anyway - its the same principle with this machine you are talking about only doesn't rely on the skill of the user with it and is accurate because it actually picks up on the energy in a quantifiable way. My Iridologist in AK used one and picked up on things that were subclinical in me which I felt symptoms of, but didn't show up where they were diagnosable yet. (But came out later!!!) I knew she was right because I could feel what she picked up on and had not told her anything about my history when I went in to see her!!!! She is the one who got me using the Nature's Sunshine Herbs that Russ sells on here. She said they were the best (tested the best) because of the constant testing their facilities did on them to verify their strength and, of course, the research the company did to keep up with all the latest news nutritionally. I like this forum so much because of all the good information posted all the time...

But the point is, I know what machine you are talking about and agree...it works! Good suggestion and hope, Bex, you can locate someone with one! Our local herb shop here (NSP products) has one, but not sure how proficient the owner is at using it.

Hi birdlady, thanks for the suggestion. I have been on a few machines that apparently diagnose, but either they didn't pick up on it, or I was told different things. One said it was epstein barr virus (yet I've had that plus the glandular fever, it stays in the system). The other said it was some coxsackie virus..... And other things were said also. It is very difficult. I remember at the time of the infection I had some blood tests and two nurses independently told me it was another virus (I now forget the name of it), yet the doctor told me the nurses were wrong and it wasn't "activated".....

So after awhile you get fed up with it all. Even then, none of them could really suggest anything apart from "rest"....

All my illnesses and toxicities of the past always without fail responded to treatment of some kind and I always had healing crisis and gradually improved. No matter what hell I went through to get that improvement, I got there. This infection I have now, has been totally different and not something I've been able to fully describe to others, nor has it responded to any treatments. The only thing, as I said, that helps is the diet and perhaps the supplements do too. But it only really controls the worst of it and does keep my system in a better state when I eat good foods.

I have done cleanses, homeopathy, parasite cleanses, done a colon cleanse, all of which haven't really produced results (not even a worsening of symptoms). I've tried chelation too, but again, nothing much happens with that anymore either. I'm sure people could recommend other things and I could go on trying, but I think I've reached a point where I know what kind of works and what has proven all but useless and I stick with that for now. I think it's a suppression of immunity and it's ongoing. Which is why I suspect cavitations maybe involved (or they may not). Which Hal Huggins said no matter what marathon efforts are made, usually a person gets almost nowhere. He's not said this about mercury or any other condition except for cavitations (and I "think" root canals).

That apparently can be one of the signs of these things, is non response to treatments/cleanses and also not healing properly once a person gets hit by something. Which is exactly what I experience. But again, there must be "some" faint response still going on in my body because the diet does do 'something', however small it maybe. I rely upon it.

The thing that I really liked with this scan is that the software does it by itself. There is no interpretation by the doctor necessary. A scan takes about 35 minutes to complete and you can watch it in real time on the computer screen.

I had another test done (REBA test) that measured energies and "showed" emotional blocks in the body. I think that one was really just fluff and the results were directly affected upon the interpreting of my hand's position by the doctor. The same person could have been interpreted 20 different ways by 20 different people. The ETASCAN does not have this problem.

You put headphones on and just sit back and watch. Then the doctor comes back in and sees where you have red and black energies. He looks on the screen to see what toxins, allergens, food intolerances etc show up in the organ. Really a human isn't even involved in the process until it comes time to look at what's causing the problem. The doctor just has to read whats on the screen. haha

My pituitary said it had an intolerance to chocolate and it had mercury in it. There were 2 other things, clostridium and geotridum. I can't even tell you what those are--he explained it but I can't remember. lol

Now the treatment is where I am still skeptical. The machine then creates a solution with a specific type of energy to cleanse the body of these problems. I have no idea if the treatment option works, but at least you can get a name for what's going on.

My scan also showed epstein-barr, but it was very low on the list and the doctor said it was nothing to worry about. I had EBV when I was 17, so I knew it was at least accurate for seeing it there. My pituitary also showed gadolinium which is the contract used in MRIs. I had an MRI 6 months ago to check for any abnormalities since I have diabetes insipidus. Another person's pituitary gland won't have that in there unless they had an MRI...That was the most convincing part of it all.


Oh I totally understand where you are coming from. That was me about 2 years ago. I was just so fed up with everything. Hopefully I am coming to an end.

I actually found a youtube clip of a doctor talking about the etascan.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bYZ4LGUfNJc
Here's another website: Just search (ctrl-f) for the word etascan to find the article.
http://www.thebeautymagazine.com/cindy13.html
This whole page is dedicated to it.
http://shoverview.com/news.php?readmore=2

It may not start like that but your eye infection might have been the catalyst. You add Mercury and a bacterial pathogen and that might be CFS right there. One thing I've learned is that you can not make any assumption.



Bex, I thought mascara was supposed to contain mercury (not sure why unless that is the antibacterial agent. If you google mascara and mercury I get over a quarter million hits.



I've recently started taking even more digestive enzymes with HCI and pepsin, pancreatin (pancreatic enzymes) which I take with food. I have some I take 30 minutes before food (protease type, etc). Those and probiotics helps addres my food intolerance issues. I supposed you've looked into Celiac?



I understand, every time I read something new I haven't tried before, get my hopes up, then when it fails it is very hard to recover psychologically from that.



Did you try/ have any success with cortisone? Licorice?




I think there must be several things at work here. If there was a single cause for CFS I think everyone would have it and it would be easy to find the cause.



I would work on relieving your symptoms then in the short term. If it is fatigue then I would look into mitochondrial support and cortisol support.

Cheers