Originally Posted by CTD
..I am steadfastly opposed to the establishment's campaign against them.


I felt that way originally when I saw that on the news too. But if you check out the followers of Warren Jeffs (FLDS) and what they believe... they are a rather ruthless bunch... there are legitimate concerns... they still teach the old LDS Brigham Young doctrines.. that Adam is God, blood atonement... etc. If someone with children tries to leave FLDS, and succeeds, they often lose their children... I think if you check you will find that often true of LDS as well...so they may have actually earned whatever they have coming at them. There are legitimate concerns.. and many people very upset with that bunch.

Originally Posted by Jeanie
...It escapes me how people who believe in the Bible would not be open to such things...


She really should just stick with the facts without getting personal. I cannot find anyplace where anyone has made any assumptions or statements at all about Jeanie's personal beliefs, unless she has declared them first, yet she does this in every post. You this or you that...

Just stick with the teaching or whatever is you are pushing without getting personal. Or stick with facts or statements declared by others if you want to avoid problems. If you need to make examples, use yourself as the example and then you won't constantly be offending everyone. Discussions like this only get personal when you take them to that level.

As I mentioned in that post, please refer to the poster who originally made the statements upon which my statements are based if you want to make accusations of slander. In this case... I think you would have to refer to yourself since you have already stated (in post #39958 and post #40015) that disobeying God is the right choice. God had to warn them what would happen so they would CHOOSE to fall. They made the right choice. Those are your words. So if you want to claim that anyone is guilty of slander you will have to start with your own statements wherein you do declare that disobedience to God is the right choice. I am simply following your statements to their logical conclusion. You asked us all to do that at the point you made the comments didn't you? If you didn't want anyone to read your post or think about it why did you post it?

Originally Posted by Jeanie
My brother in law and I use to read these stories in the Bible and wish, so bad, to have such an experience.


I have a funny feeling your wish will come true.

The bible tells us to seek God, not angels or spirits or things of that nature. People in the bible have had experiences with angels indeed but they did not all seek angels, those who sought angels or spirits did so to their own detriment..... so, if I have never sought experiences of that nature, that would be exactly why. I have never had a need to seek them. The NT admonishes us to follow Jesus, not men or doctrines of men. So, if I have never sought to follow doctrines of men it is because I have never had a need to follow them either. If my words seem slanderous to you, perhaps you should consider the source which I refer to to make the statements, which in this case, is the bible.