Linear, thanks for helping me out....or at least seeing how it makes sense. I was wondering if you could explain what you meant on this part of your post:

You Said: He gave them a test that He knew they would fail...it was designed to fail, so the He could send His Son to suffer and die....so the He could get the keys to Hell which, apparently He did not possess.

Jeanie: I've got a big ?????? here as far as what this means. I never heard of Him wanting the keys to hell? Could you explain? That's not quite my concept of Him..