Originally Posted by Bex
God's intention was that all would live forever.
Even animals and plants? Please provide Biblical support for this statement.

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He gave one test to the two first people for obedience and they failed him. Even though He had given them everything. Who knows how long they enjoyed their bliss in eden before they did this.
He gave them a test that He knew they would fail...it was designed to fail, so the He could send His Son to suffer and die....so the He could get the keys to Hell which, apparently He did not possess.

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No it was not God's intention that death/suffering enter His perfect world. God made all things good and He intended all live forever. To imagine this curse was all "wanted" or part of His original plan does not add up and would make of God a liar.
Why? Please point out where in the Bible it says that God didn't plan for Adam to fall. To think otherwise would make God unable to see the future (not omniscient?) and unable to make the universe work the way He wanted it to (not omnipotent?).

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Thanks to the original fall/sin, all mankind has suffered as a result (including animals). Suffering and death entered the world, which was not God's original intention if you read Genesis. They came as a result of sin. They may not be "evil" in and of themselves, but they are the results of a cursed world and again, were NOT part of His original intention.
Please provide Biblical support for the addition of physical death for animals and plants at the time of Adam's first sin.

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Thanks to such disobedience, the first two people wrought a curse upon themselves and all earth and its inhabitants and future offspring.
It certainly doesn't sound like justice to cause the suffering of all animals, who cannot sin by the way, for the actions one man. However, we don't get to determine the parameters of justice since we're not in charge. Additionally, God is apparently not holding Himself to the same rules that He requires of us.

This is patently obvious. To torture someone for eternity because they stole or lied or murdered and then didn't believe His Son was able to forgive all that, is like punishing parking violators with the death penalty. Like I said, His version of justice doesn't seem to line up with what He requires of us.


A faith that connot survive collision with the truth is not worth many regrets. -- Arthur C. Clarke