You won't get what you consider a rational discussion from me on this topic because your idea of rational is limited to your own mindset, which is much younger than mine. You're still living in a world where you believe scientists all-too-often have integrity and lies are the exception, or that information cannot be spun or covered up because we have a "free press".

Unfortunately, your world is an illusion and a comfort to your hopes; Nothing more. You still don't know how the political magicians wave the wand—and rather than explore the possibilities, you prefer to think on your own terms.

Well... Been there, done that, but now I'm wiser than I was when I was in your shoes. My eyes have been opened, and hopefully, yours will be as well, one day.

You can speak about DNA, protien combination and all the other things evolutionists love to sing about to confuse the issue, but the big bottom line is that it really is about economics; That is, two or more people working together deceptively to line their pockets, and as you know, that is defined as a conspiracy.

If you ever check out the facts instead of blindly accepting the spoon-fed "science" you're parroting, you may just see it too. The only catch is that it takes humility. Without humility, you'll never see what's right in front of you.

Finally, for those who read this thread and don't understand the deeper issues with evolution (and they are many), guess what: You don't need to. You only need to think about the simple yet huge brick walls that evolution stumbles against daily yet remains silent about in its own denial.

You need only to think about the mammalian reproductive system—how evolution cannot explain its complexity and separate functioning components, all functionally matched with each other and yet working together yet in different creatures. From fallopian tubes to the intricate methods which eggs are formed and deposited, to the intricate design of the male reproductive system with amazing internal balances and feedback controls, both electrical and chemical.

Think again about symmetry, and how impossible it truly is for evolution to explain the development of two matched eyes, complete with precision lenses, intraocular fluid with pressure-regulating mechanisms, along with rods and cones to collect light all placed in the just the right position to convert light to electrical signals and to carry these signals through an optical nerve to the brain. Think about the development of matched arms, hands, feet and legs, and the intricate control and feedback machanisms that regulate heartbeat and allow the heart to move in just the right way.

Think about the organs of the body and how they are intricately connected to the brain and relay on positive and negative feedback control systems for their operation and regulation.

There simply is no way anyone with common sense could truly accept that these things can come into being—even from a single-cell organism (which in itself would be miraculous) without an intelligent disigner.

Humble yourself and open your eyes.